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greetings and salutations friends

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and welcome back to the midnight hour

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my name is stephen cambion

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also known as the mystery man

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because who better

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than a magician like me

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a man trained in the art of deception

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and misdirection

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to investigate the paranormal

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to separate those things that cannot be

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explained

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from the fakes the frauds and the hoaxes

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and tonight i'm going to be spilling a

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whole bunch of long held secrets

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tonight you're going to get an inside

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view into how these fake psychics and

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fake mediums

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seemingly perform miraculous feats

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but do they really have powers

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are they just using a bunch of magicians

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tricks

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what do you think

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welcome to the midnight hour where

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tonight we will be discussing the

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paranormal as usual

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but more specifically tonight we're

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going to be talking about psychics

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mediums

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can people really speak to the dead

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can people really

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foretell the future or talk to the dead

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what do you think

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are the people who claim these abilities

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real or frauds

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anybody that knows me knows i've been

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interested in this kind of stuff for a

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long time so once in a while somebody

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will tell me about a psychic

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but so far

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and i have gone to the ends of the earth

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looking for true people that can

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actually display some kind of psychic

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ability or the ability to talk to the

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dead and so far all i found is frauds

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and fakes

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but hey it's not all bad news

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because quite honestly there

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once in a while there will be some

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scientific proof of some kind of psychic

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phenomena

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and that really

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i have to say it makes me continue to

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look into it continue to be interested

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did you know that the united states

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government paid psychics to do remote

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for those that don't know remote viewing

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is where a psychic or sensitive or

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whatever you want to call that person

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will sit in a room and meditate i

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suppose on a specific place

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and that person will then after remote

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viewing it

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in his mind

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go draw a bunch of stuff or

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describe the place that he saw

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translate what he saw in his mind to

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one of the most interesting things to me

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about any kind of psychic phenomenon is

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remote viewing if i had to pick one

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thing that i thought well this might

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there might be something to this it

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would be remote viewing

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but one of the reasons for that is

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because there has been more research

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into remote viewing than most other

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psychic phenomenon

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the soviet union employed remote viewers

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the united states government employed

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and some other smaller governments also

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did some incredible research into this

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kind of psychic thing where somebody

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results of some of these remote viewing

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you can google remote viewing

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experiments or you know

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it's it's amazing to me that i'm paying

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taxes to a government

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and you know they have the cia doing

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psychic experiments and there's been all

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kinds of different projects you can

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and now the government doesn't really

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some people have gotten documents out

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about this under the freedom of

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information act which by the way is i

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always joke should be called the freedom

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while they'll make a mistake and let

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some documents out but the government

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doesn't want you to know that they're

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spending tax dollars they're spending

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uh hiring a bunch of psychics going hey

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can you see this missile base in the in

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russia because we want to know about it

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but the amazing thing is that some of

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these people have been incredibly

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accurate and i think that's one of the

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things about psychic phenomena that you

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results and

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experiments that have been done on

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remote viewing now if you look further

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into it it gets crazier and crazier

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because you know some people claim to

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civilizations on mars and secret moon

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bases and all this other crap and

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you know it gets really crazy if you go

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too deep

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that some of the experiments the united

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states government and the cia have run

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have been very fruitful they found

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you know what they were looking for they

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had people basically able to psychically

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detect missile bases and

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top secret things in the soviet union

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remote viewers looking at area 51 and

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looking at different government

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installations in the united states and

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so this kind of stuff is like amazing to

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stanford i don't know harvard why aren't

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institutions in the united states

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they say well this stuff's all fake

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we only use 10 of our brain capacity

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that neuroscience has uh you know i'm

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some people don't know but i happen to

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start reading about neuroscience and so

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neuroscience and it's very fascinating

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homo sapiens

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humans we only use 10 percent of our

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brain capacity we only use 10 percent of

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realize that the most

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most complicated thing

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it's amazing to me what's going on in

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people that can do telekinesis and

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pyrokinesis which is lighting fires with

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your mind that's a pretty cool power if

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the human race will learn to tap into a

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hundred percent of the capacity of the

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human brain and this and that but

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of neuroscience we don't understand

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subject to say what could we possibly do

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psychic phenomena and all this other

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stuff believe they believe that these

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harness the other 90

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in temple neurology

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and i have to say they were great people

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they really helped me

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they saved my life

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and uh but i got to learn a great deal

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about the human brain and how it

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functions and how it operates and

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that we are aware of in the universe and

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does have untapped potential that we're

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not aware of that we haven't harnessed

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yet that we don't know how to use

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a huge subject of humanity

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portion of humanity is not

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other 90 but the truth is we're not we

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we're able to repair minor brain damage

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unruptured aneurysm that almost killed

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they were able to get to it before it

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procedure in my brain behind one of my

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eyes

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you know which is a whole other thing

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that's why i'm uh

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you know kind of uh impaired visually

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but i walked away and i'm still alive

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and and hey i have this new appreciation

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for neurology

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and uh you know brain scientists because

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you got to meet some of the best and

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brightest brain scientists

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in in temple university and that was

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amazing experience

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and these guys really uh

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you know

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they're going to the mat trying to

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understand things but they don't they

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really don't

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you know it's kind of like we're in the

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dark ages and we're still

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we're still coming to realize the

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potential of the human brain and i'm

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always interested in not only the

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potential of the human brain but human

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potential

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you know like for example

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why are why do some people overcome

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every obstacle and become rich powerful

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and famous or

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you know just just

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find endless success

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or are they able to harness some part of

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their brain that the people that

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you know quite honestly become losers

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are not able to harness i want to know

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this stuff

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so i keep looking into it and you know i

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read every article that comes across my

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internet that i can on the human brain

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and human potential

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but

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you know back to the subject of psychics

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everyone who knows me knows that i'm

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interested in psychics

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it's a it's also a

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i guess a a lesser known fact that i for

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a time

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performed as a psychic entertainer

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and there's a big difference between

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that and

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you know somebody that just says hey i'm

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a psychic

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could i have gotten away with just

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saying hey i'm a psychic

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yeah i i think i could have fooled

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everyone and and

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faked it and said yeah i'm i'm a psychic

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or i'm a medium but i didn't do that

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you know i had this agent i needed money

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at the time and the agent said well if

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you do this mind reading show you know i

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can get a lot of work so i did it

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but i always started the show and i

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honestly i stole this from banach you

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could look him up he's one of the

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leading mentalists on planet earth work

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for chris angel and a whole bunch of

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other

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yeah you know doing this guy's just

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incredible but

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i stole

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his uh philosophy on it and by the way

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this guy faked

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uh being a psychic and full scientists

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that's how good he was

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but he had this philosophy to say in

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front of the audience like look i use my

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you know my

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five senses and the art of conjuring her

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magic and

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and my knowledge of those conjuring art

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to create for you a an illusion of a

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sixth sense and i stole that and he said

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i was layout i met him a few times i

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talked about as doing he was really

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supportive and he said yeah go ahead you

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know take that that's why i say it

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because i don't want to lie to anybody

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and

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you know so i did that i said hey you

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know nothing i do is supernatural

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anybody can learn this stuff but people

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still did not believe it people still

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came up to me after shows and said you

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just say that right like you really are

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psychic aren't you and all this

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craziness

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and uh

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you know but the point is that i

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performed for a long time as a psychic

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entertainer

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while i don't want to say a long time

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uh

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a short time in comparison to how long

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i've performed as a magician i much

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prefer that because people know that

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it's tricks and you don't have to

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explain it and

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you know but i did i did a lot of these

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things in these mind reading tricks and

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i foretold the future and i talked to

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dead people during the show dead

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audience you know uh dead relatives of

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audience members and i did all these

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things and and really i did it by

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studying the tricks of the psychics and

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the mediums and they're all frauds and

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fakes as far as i can tell right now

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people have once in a while said hey no

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this guy's real you got to check them

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out and you know i'm a curious guy so

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i'll go to the

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see them and uh

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i always

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am

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you know i have this like i don't know

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this this dive my heart takes every time

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i see the trick that i know that these

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guys that are supposed to be real do

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and it's sad to me because i really want

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to find somebody that can really do it

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but

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so far uh

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never

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could really actually do it and that's

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you know kind of sad and depressing to

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me i really want to believe that people

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can

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uh access that other 90

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and somehow do these incredible things

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that

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you know

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maybe the rest of the populous the

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general populace of earth have not

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learned to harness yet

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but so far all i have found is you know

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fakes and frauds and people cashing in

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on what is basically just

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you know almost

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beginner level

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magic tricks

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but framed in a sort of like hey i'm a

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psychic way instead of hey i'm a

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magician way

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and

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i have to say that when i performed as a

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mentalist and a psychic entertainer you

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know i i

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felt like i didn't have an ethics

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problem there because i said right at

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the beginning of the show hey you know

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this is

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stuff that anybody can learn and i'm

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just here to entertain you

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and we're going to take a journey into

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the mind tonight and see what the mind

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can accomplish

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you know but i i told the truth and

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psychics and mediums and all these

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frauds

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they pretend to have some powers while

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they use the same tricks that i used as

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a performer

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and that is really

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i guess the root of my argument against

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them is that i have never found one that

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wasn't using the same kind of tricks

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that i've used

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never not once and i believe me i have

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looked

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so i guess

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uh you know also i want to tell you some

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stories about

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me growing up because it's important

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that when i was growing up i actually

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worked for a psychic

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and i don't mean a real psychic i mean a

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completely and totally fraudulent fake

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psychic and even at a very young age i

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was able to determine that she was a

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complete and total fraud and a fake and

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it was really

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excited when she moved into the

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neighborhood and like you know put up

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that neon sign like wow there's a

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psychic in my neighborhood

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and i got to know her and i'm always sad

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that i got to know her i would have

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rather just kind of

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you know admired her from a distance i

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guess

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so

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with that i guess let's uh

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let's go to the next part of the show

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where we'll talk about uh my experience

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[Music]

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can people really see into the future

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and mediums

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can people really

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speak

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all my life i've wanted to believe that

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both were possible

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i mean maybe it was my interest in magic

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uh or the art of conjuring

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that really

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kind of gave me an education into these

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things

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because what i learned being a magician

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is this

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a psychic

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is just an entertainer

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and a medium especially

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is just an entertainer

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because what i learned was that a good

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magician can reproduce everything

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that a psychic

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or medium does

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it's well known amongst magicians that

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those two professions simply use

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conjuring tricks

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magic

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for centuries

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to simply fool people

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into believing that they have some kind

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of psychic ability or

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god-given ability to somehow

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reach through to the other side and

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so it's been well known in my profession

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that

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those two professions are completely

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and totally fraudulent

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harry houdini most famously

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exposed so many

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spirit mediums

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during his lifetime that

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you know he should really be credited

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with

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ending

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a great deal of superstition about these

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things

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i mean he was able to reproduce

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everything from the ringing of a bell to

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you know uh ectoplasm and all of these

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things that happened during the

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spiritualist movement especially when

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mediums at that time were such a popular

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form of

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really

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home entertainment

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you would either go to a mediums

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parlor where they would come to yours

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and

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these mediums made a great deal of money

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and they also

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really

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stole a great deal of money from people

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and so harry houdini

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really after the death of his mother

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desperately wanted to contact her and he

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went to every medium that he could find

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and none of them he found were genuine

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every one of them were using standard

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conjurer's tricks

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and my own experience has been very very

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similar i've

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tried to to

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keep an open mind when i confront it

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with somebody who tells me they're a

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psychic or they're a medium

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and in each and every case i was able to

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so easily see through

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the methods that they were using that i

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was you know just simply disappointed

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and i should state i want to believe

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this stuff is true

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i want to believe that perhaps human

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have some humans have some untapped

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potential that

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only certain special people or maybe one

579
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,240
in a thousand ten thousand hundred

580
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:45,440
thousand i don't know one million people

581
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,720
maybe their brains are wired differently

582
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,880
than most people and they're able to tap

583
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:52,799
into this thing

584
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,440
that's what i've always wondered if it

585
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:57,200
was possible that's what i've always

586
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,679
hoped was possible

587
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,760
it's well known among most people that

588
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:03,919
we only use 10

589
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:06,880
of our brain's capacity

590
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:10,159
so i would i always wondered if in that

591
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,840
other 90

592
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,120
there was

593
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,080
these abilities

594
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,360
now we should uh talk over

595
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:22,400
let's put mediums in one category

596
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:27,909
because there are

597
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,480
among psychics a bunch of different

598
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,760
effects

599
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:33,679
that's what a magician would call them

600
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:37,039
an effect like reading someone's mind

601
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,440
that would be in effect

602
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:41,600
seeing into the future that would be in

603
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:49,830
moving something with your mind that

604
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:52,880
would be in effect

605
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,510
pyrokinesis

606
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,360
is the

607
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,520
uh some

608
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,559
say it is the psychic ability to cause

609
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,919
fires

610
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:07,919
with your mind and there was a famous

611
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:10,960
stephen king movie fire starter about

612
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,679
just about a person with that kind of

613
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,080
abilities

614
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,440
and so

615
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:19,919
you know there's all these different

616
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,080
psychic effects

617
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:25,919
and really these effects are exactly to

618
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,720
them

619
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:29,120
what effects are to magicians

620
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,640
magicians call

621
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,120
things effects but what a magician

622
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:36,159
really means is this is my method of

623
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,120
trickery this is how i'm accomplishing

624
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,720
this effect

625
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,200
it appears to be that i'm looking into

626
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,480
the future

627
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:47,279
but the truth is i

628
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,600
uh you know had a carbon copy of

629
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,840
something somebody wrote that's one

630
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,480
example and they and that person had no

631
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,559
idea that when they wrote something and

632
00:25:02,549 --> 00:24:59,600
we burned that piece of paper that i had

633
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,559
a copy a copy i could glimpse at when

634
00:25:06,149 --> 00:25:04,159
they weren't paying attention and i

635
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,159
would know

636
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,480
i used to do a very common trick where i

637
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,200
would say i want you to go back to your

638
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:13,360
childhood

639
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:15,440
and i want you to remember a very very

640
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,400
special time in your life

641
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,760
a time

642
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,840
when you first had a huge crush on

643
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:23,279
somebody

644
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:26,559
but even a more special time a time

645
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:30,240
before you had ever kissed someone a

646
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,360
time before you had ever been kissed

647
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,360
or took the initiative and kissed

648
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,440
someone else

649
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:39,919
i want you to imagine that person

650
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:42,799
who was your first kiss and then i would

651
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,559
give them a clipboard and some

652
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,320
you know a pen

653
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:50,640
i would tell them this you know

654
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,679
be comfortable relax take yourself back

655
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,760
to that time and i want you to write the

656
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:57,760
name of the person

657
00:26:01,669 --> 00:26:00,640
in order to focus your mind on that

658
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,679
person

659
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:02,720
and

660
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,679
i have to say that i did this trick

661
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,679
because this is a very enjoyable

662
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,440
experience

663
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,279
to go back to your childhood and

664
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,080
remember your first kiss i mean i'm sure

665
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,640
some people have a traumatic memory of

666
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,120
their first kiss but to most people it's

667
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:21,840
a very very pleasurable

668
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:25,520
place to put themselves in their mindset

669
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,120
of going back in time and you know as as

670
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,679
a magician we would dress this up you

671
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,559
know clear your mind relax

672
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,799
take two deep breaths i want you to go

673
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,360
back to the point in time

674
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,000
when you were young before you had been

675
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,120
kissed i want you to imagine that person

676
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,279
who would be your first kiss i want you

677
00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:50,000
to imagine what it smelled like

678
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,720
what you saw with your eyes what you

679
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,039
felt with your hands

680
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:57,600
what you smell

681
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,840
i want you to put yourself back in that

682
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,919
place

683
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,679
are you there yet

684
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,120
excellent

685
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,880
now i'd like you to write down the name

686
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,360
of that person again i want you to write

687
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:12,000
the name of the person so that you

688
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,679
get your mind completely focused on them

689
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,240
have you written that name

690
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,080
and after they had written the name of

691
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,720
the person on the chalkboard

692
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:24,559
i would ask them to take that piece of

693
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,000
paper and fold it many many times

694
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,000
and then i would bring them over to an

695
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,600
ashtray

696
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,640
and i would have them burn

697
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,880
it would burn that

698
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:39,679
and while it was burning i would say you

699
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,440
see the smoke the smoke rising

700
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,110
time is like that

701
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,640
and

702
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:52,640
time

703
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,240
is like smoke in the air

704
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,720
it just simply

705
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,960
goes and goes

706
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:02,960
but being a magician

707
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,240
i can reach into that time that special

708
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,799
time and place in your life

709
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,520
where you had your first kiss and then i

710
00:28:14,830 --> 00:28:13,919
would reach up and pretend to grab a bit

711
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:14,840
of

712
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:18,640
smoke and i would place my hand near my

713
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:20,000
forehead

714
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,440
and say

715
00:28:24,780 --> 00:28:23,679
like

716
00:28:27,029 --> 00:28:24,790
smoke

717
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:27,039
[Music]

718
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,320
rising

719
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:30,320
from the embers

720
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,880
i have pulled that memory from the smoke

721
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,240
and then

722
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,320
i would reveal to them

723
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,399
that person that person that was so

724
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:43,120
special to you in your life

725
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:46,130
in a very very special time in your life

726
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,919
[Music]

727
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:50,640
that person that was your first kiss was

728
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:56,630
karen for example if it was a man and

729
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:58,720
they had written karen

730
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,919
but what this person and i have to say

731
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,520
uh

732
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,679
in revealing this

733
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:07,760
you know

734
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,399
every person i ever did this to had an

735
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,039
incredible time doing it because it

736
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,200
places them at a special time in their

737
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,760
life and you know it's a beautiful kind

738
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,919
of a feeling to go back and that and

739
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,760
imagine that

740
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,480
and then how beautiful it is when this

741
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:27,039
guy that had no way of seeing what you

742
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,720
wrote

743
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,039
comes up with the name of the first

744
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:33,919
person that you kissed

745
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,240
now i i don't think the method of how i

746
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,799
did this is really even important

747
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,039
what's important is the feeling that i

748
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:43,200
gave the audience member the feeling

749
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:45,679
that the spectators had while going on

750
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:48,399
this journey with them

751
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:52,320
and then the amazing factor of somehow

752
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,039
this guy who's never met this person is

753
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:56,960
able to come up with the name of the

754
00:30:01,269 --> 00:30:00,480
first person that they kissed

755
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,279
and

756
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:03,679
i have to tell you that this is simply

757
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,039
one example this is one trick out of

758
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:09,840
you know i don't know 100 000 tricks

759
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:12,320
i've learned as a magician

760
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:13,520
and

761
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,000
every psychic i know has done

762
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,039
similar tricks

763
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,520
the difference i suppose and why i have

764
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:28,000
a problem with psychics who take money

765
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,360
is because

766
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,960
when i do this

767
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,200
people understand that i'm just an

768
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:34,480
entertainer

769
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:37,039
in fact i'm fond of cautioning people

770
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,240
before i do any kind of psychic

771
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,200
demonstrations or

772
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,240
mind reading or anything like that that

773
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,880
this is simply a learned ability

774
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:49,440
and it's for entertainment purposes only

775
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,919
i claim no actual supernatural abilities

776
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,520
and and so there's a difference if

777
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,679
people pay a couple of bucks and they

778
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,000
get to see me do these things they're

779
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:02,080
very entertained

780
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,039
and

781
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,120
you know they get their money's worth

782
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,240
but they realize that hey this is just a

783
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:11,279
form of entertainment and it is amazing

784
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,039
that myself or any guy could do that or

785
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:17,760
lady i mean i know some female

786
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,480
mentalists as well

787
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,440
so

788
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:24,240
you know to an audience of a magic show

789
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:27,279
or a mentalist show and a mentalist i

790
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,559
should

791
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,559
say for the purposes of anybody who

792
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,120
doesn't know this listening a mentalist

793
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,760
is simply a magician that specializes in

794
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,919
these mind reading and psychic and

795
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:39,440
medium kind of

796
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,360
effects

797
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,360
so the difference really is that a

798
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,200
magician or a mentalist

799
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:47,840
you know people know this is just a form

800
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,960
of entertainment and i i you know while

801
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,000
i'm

802
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:54,159
i suppose pretending

803
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,120
to

804
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,960
have some kind of ability or

805
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,279
supernatural thing going here as they're

806
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:01,919
watching and listening

807
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:04,640
they know that it's i'm pretending they

808
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,919
know that i'm not a genuine psychic nor

809
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,600
do i claim to be

810
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,279
in fact i'm fond of

811
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,480
telling everybody i use these secrets

812
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,640
that anybody can learn in order to

813
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,120
accomplish these effects

814
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:21,360
the difference is that a so-called

815
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:24,960
psychic uses the same exact tricks but

816
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:29,039
he lies he lies and lies and lies to the

817
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:30,080
audience

818
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,600
and i've always thought it was

819
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:34,000
interesting that they always have these

820
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,120
weird

821
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,679
background stories like

822
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:38,880
you know

823
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,600
oh i learned i could talk to dead people

824
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,159
at an early age and

825
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:46,799
i've even heard of one guy who said he

826
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,120
developed his psychic abilities after he

827
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,279
was struck by lightning

828
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,360
and in another case

829
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:56,399
i've heard of a medium who claimed they

830
00:33:01,269 --> 00:32:59,039
gathered there or not gathered i'm sorry

831
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,279
they got their ability to speak to

832
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:02,880
deceased people

833
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,480
after they had a near-death experience

834
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,360
they came they went to the other side

835
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,159
and they came back with the ability to

836
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,480
speak to dead people

837
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,960
i mean they all i think they do this

838
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,279
because people want to know like why can

839
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:22,000
this guy do this stuff you know

840
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,279
so

841
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,919
a lot of these guys are all too quick to

842
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,600
oblige and

843
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,919
and give some kind of story for how they

844
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,000
develop their talents

845
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,960
i've seen many many psychics who say

846
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,679
oh i'm a fourth generation it runs in my

847
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,600
family

848
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,039
and

849
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,399
i should also mention that

850
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,279
when i was very young i had an interest

851
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,760
in magic and psychics and all that kind

852
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,679
of stuff and there was a psychic in the

853
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,000
neighborhood that i grew up with and she

854
00:33:59,190 --> 00:33:56,480
had like a storefront like a typical

855
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,200
psychic with the neon sign and

856
00:34:02,870 --> 00:34:01,760
everything tarot cards read psychic

857
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:02,880
readings

858
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:05,760
and her name was miss ray

859
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,359
this my friends is a great story

860
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,480
i

861
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,720
you know

862
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,679
would see her she was on richmond street

863
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,320
when i was very young and i think it was

864
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:20,560
like a freshman in high school

865
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:23,040
maybe even younger and

866
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,839
uh

867
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,679
you know she lived there with her son

868
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,280
and i was always asking her son all

869
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:29,280
these questions you know her son was

870
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,480
like in his

871
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:33,520
30s i guess and she was probably in her

872
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,960
60s

873
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,119
and i was so fascinated like wow a

874
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,520
psychic and i remember when they opened

875
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,440
and everything because she had moved in

876
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:43,679
and then they put the sign in and it was

877
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,079
a cool thing like wow there's a psychic

878
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,399
in the neighborhood so

879
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,800
i started talking to her son every

880
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,560
chance i got like he'd get out of his

881
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,119
car to go home like he walked through

882
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:57,040
the way the building was laid out is

883
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,079
like the front two rooms were her like

884
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,800
reading rooms i guess a waiting room and

885
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,880
then a reading room and then their house

886
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:07,440
or where they lived was you know after

887
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,640
that so

888
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,560
he'd be getting out of his car

889
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,960
just with groceries or something going

890
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,359
home and i'd i'd run up to him and say

891
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,520
hey miss rey's a psychic can she really

892
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,240
tell the future and you know i try to

893
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,599
talk to him and ask him all these

894
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,119
questions

895
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,040
and then uh

896
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:27,920
another time i seen him and he was like

897
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,400
handing out flyers in the different

898
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:31,440
blocks

899
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:33,599
putting them in people's doors and i ran

900
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,800
up to him

901
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:36,160
and

902
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,800
his name was jimmy i'd say jimmy jimmy

903
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,800
can i help you and you know

904
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,880
tell me about your mom can i meet her i

905
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,200
want to and eventually i annoyed this

906
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,440
guy so much that he brought me into the

907
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,320
parlor you know and he said hey mom this

908
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,560
kid you know this kid stevie's really

909
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,480
interested in psychics and he wants to

910
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:57,760
talk to you

911
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,720
and so she sat me down and she gave me

912
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,760
the hugest line of [\h__\h] i've ever

913
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,920
heard in my life and you have to

914
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,400
remember i was a kid at the time but i

915
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:10,800
still was listening to her thinking this

916
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:13,040
is the biggest bunch of [\h__\h] i've

917
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,240
ever heard

918
00:36:18,790 --> 00:36:15,839
she said

919
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:18,800
oh i'm a gypsy and my whole family are

920
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,480
gypsies and we travel from from city to

921
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,000
city so we can help people we want to

922
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,880
help them talk to their dead relatives

923
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,160
and help them

924
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:32,000
um you know

925
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,079
find peace after somebody dies and

926
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,960
you know we're spiritual guidance for

927
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,680
people and all these different things

928
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,079
and then i said well can you read my

929
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,359
future and she said oh uh

930
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,119
you know i don't do that unless i'm

931
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,680
being paid and of course that was a big

932
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,520
disappointment like i'm sorry i don't

933
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,599
have any money to give you if you're

934
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,359
telling me you're a psychic you know

935
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,599
show me something but she didn't show me

936
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:00,720
anything

937
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,599
and then i seen like a light bulb go off

938
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,400
and she had these big box of flyers out

939
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,560
in front of the store

940
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,040
or you know like a in the front waiting

941
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:13,440
room and she said well if you if you

942
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,920
help my son jimmy hand down a lot of

943
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,760
flyers then you can come back and i'll

944
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,599
give you a free reading

945
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,079
and i was a kid and i was stupid naive

946
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:23,839
and i go okay

947
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,240
so i talked to jimmy and he said come

948
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:27,839
back tomorrow after school and we'll put

949
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,680
these out and i did that

950
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,200
and then

951
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,280
the weird thing is that a little bit

952
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,680
later it turned into just a paying job

953
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,520
for me they would give me like 10 bucks

954
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,520
and i would go hand these flyers out but

955
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,440
the first shot i went and handed all

956
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,400
these flyers and then i went back you

957
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,920
know i couldn't wait what is she going

958
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,599
to tell me

959
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,960
and

960
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,480
she sat me down

961
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,599
and she

962
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,200
and you know it's like that's such a

963
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,280
typical thing because she had like

964
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,760
a crystal ball in the middle of the

965
00:38:02,310 --> 00:38:00,079
table and all these things that you

966
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,320
would expect i guess a fortune teller

967
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,480
psychic to have tarot cards and things

968
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,240
like that but then i always thought it

969
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,240
was weird that these people that believe

970
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:10,000
in this stuff have like pictures of

971
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,079
jesus and the blessed mary and you know

972
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,880
regular and saints on the walls and

973
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,760
stuff and i grew up catholic so i'd ask

974
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:22,480
her i'd say you know the bible says that

975
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:25,760
that fortune telling is from the devil

976
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,520
and she would freak out almost no no no

977
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:31,520
that's not true

978
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,839
we're just people with gifts and jesus

979
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,079
gives us this gift but

980
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:38,560
you know then i'd go ask the priest like

981
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,599
uh i know this psychic and she said that

982
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,240
being a psychic comes from jesus and the

983
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,599
priest would freak out like no no

984
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,760
psychics are from the devil people that

985
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,079
talk to the dead that's from satan

986
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:54,480
that's evil you have to stay away from

987
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:55,839
that

988
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:59,520
so anyway she said she sits me down and

989
00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:00,480
she says

990
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:01,440
to me

991
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,240
uh

992
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,800
you're an honest person and that gets

993
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,960
you in trouble sometimes you're too

994
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:09,760
honest you you don't bite your tongue

995
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,040
enough

996
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,640
and i can't recall the exact reading but

997
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:16,400
she gave me

998
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:19,760
what most magicians or people in that

999
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:22,000
business would call a cold reading you

1000
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:22,880
know

1001
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,359
she said oh you you

1002
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,920
you don't have that many friends but the

1003
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:29,920
friends that you have are very close to

1004
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,400
you and special to you

1005
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,320
you know she said

1006
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,839
you're the person

1007
00:39:40,310 --> 00:39:38,240
in your family that people depend on

1008
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,320
when they really need help

1009
00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:42,400
and all these things

1010
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,440
and

1011
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:46,240
i instantly sensed that she was just

1012
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,839
giving me a whole bunch of [\h__\h]

1013
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,560
and

1014
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,960
so the reading went something as i

1015
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:55,680
recall like this

1016
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,119
after i sat down she says she says to me

1017
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,920
uh i can see your are you're an honest

1018
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:03,440
person

1019
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,880
sometimes that that can get you into

1020
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:08,960
trouble and you're the person in your

1021
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,000
family that really helps people people

1022
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,440
come to you for help they depend on you

1023
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,599
i see that this summer you're going to

1024
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,599
be going on a trip

1025
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,680
and you're going to enjoy yourself on

1026
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,119
that trip

1027
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,960
and it's something that you're already

1028
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,760
looking forward to isn't that right

1029
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,079
and then she stopped and like waited for

1030
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,839
me to nod yes and i'm like stupid i go

1031
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:36,079
yes and as soon as she see me nodding

1032
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,200
she goes

1033
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:39,200
you've been looking forward to this trip

1034
00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:42,560
for some time haven't you and she stops

1035
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:45,520
and looks and waits again for me to nod

1036
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,160
like a dummy yes

1037
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,880
so i nod yes

1038
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,280
and the whole time i'm thinking

1039
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,560
um

1040
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:57,359
you know you know i i i guess at the

1041
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,079
time it was like

1042
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:02,960
it was probably november or december

1043
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,440
because i remember being very cold and

1044
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,599
my father my mother like they didn't

1045
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,760
tell us about any trips for the summer

1046
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:11,920
until it was summertime i didn't know

1047
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,079
was going on a trip i wasn't looking

1048
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,839
forward to anything i'm just sitting

1049
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,240
there listening to this woman

1050
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,000
you're gonna be looking very you've been

1051
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,680
looking very forward to this trip

1052
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,960
haven't you

1053
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,440
and uh you know and i'm nodding and so

1054
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:27,520
she keeps going off it's going to be a

1055
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,040
big trip it's going to be a trip you're

1056
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,800
going to remember for the rest of your

1057
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:32,319
life you know

1058
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,280
and then she said the thing about you

1059
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,040
don't have that many friends but the

1060
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,280
friends you have are very special to you

1061
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,480
aren't they

1062
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,280
and i as i recall she kept looking for

1063
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,599
cues and if i would give her a positive

1064
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,520
response she would keep talking about

1065
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,400
whatever subject she was talking about

1066
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,240
and if i gave her a negative response

1067
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,800
she would start on a new subject

1068
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,960
i didn't know it at the time but what

1069
00:42:03,349 --> 00:41:59,760
she did was called cold reading and this

1070
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,359
is a very common skill where

1071
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,160
so-called psychics or entertainers if

1072
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,000
they're mentalists will throw out a

1073
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,160
bunch of stuff and wait to see what

1074
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,480
happens and they're always general

1075
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:14,560
statements

1076
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:17,200
and one thing i also recall is that she

1077
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,240
said you're very trustworthy people know

1078
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,520
that you're somebody that can be trusted

1079
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,079
and she said you're a good person you

1080
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,400
always try to do the the right thing

1081
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:31,359
even when it's difficult sometimes you

1082
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,079
know

1083
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,319
it's not easy for you to do that but you

1084
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,440
always make an effort to do that

1085
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:40,240
and so as i'm telling you this reading

1086
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:41,280
uh

1087
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:42,400
it's it's

1088
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:48,079
you know kind of uh

1089
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,720
emotional for me because i remember the

1090
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,599
reading and i remember this draining

1091
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,920
feeling i was getting at the time

1092
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,040
because i

1093
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,319
i was almost sure that this was just a

1094
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,680
bunch of [\h__\h] she was just making

1095
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,160
stuff up off the top of her head it

1096
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,760
seemed like

1097
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,200
and so

1098
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:11,520
the next part of the story really

1099
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,920
confirmed for me that she was full of

1100
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,520
[\h__\h]

1101
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:17,680
so as i mentioned i kind of started

1102
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,560
working for this kind of weird lady and

1103
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,480
uh you know i don't know why after the

1104
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:24,720
first reading i even went back there

1105
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,280
except that i think her son jimmy said

1106
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,280
hey we'll give you ten dollars if you

1107
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,599
hand out these flyers

1108
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,520
and you know ten dollars when you're a

1109
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,680
kid was that was like a lot of money

1110
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:38,079
back then so i went back and i handed

1111
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,760
out the flyers

1112
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,400
and then uh one time you know and i

1113
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:43,839
would do this like maybe a couple of

1114
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,359
times a week and so one time i go back

1115
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,760
after handing out a ton of flyers and

1116
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,119
i'm going to get my ten dollars but miss

1117
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,720
ray was in with a customer in the second

1118
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,960
room so i went inside and i waited in

1119
00:44:02,550 --> 00:44:00,480
the waiting room

1120
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,560
but was interesting to me is that i

1121
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,480
could hear what was going on and i

1122
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,800
didn't know it except

1123
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,720
you know became clear to me later that

1124
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,119
this person had just kind of went in

1125
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,839
right before i got there

1126
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,400
so this was an older woman that was

1127
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:18,079
getting the reading and i couldn't see

1128
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,680
her because of the way the rooms were

1129
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,359
arranged but i could hear everything

1130
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,599
that was going on and miss ray

1131
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:25,680
she uh you know said we're gonna light

1132
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,359
some incense so that we have good spirit

1133
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,440
energy in the room and i could get a

1134
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,119
good reading

1135
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,280
and then she lit the incense and she lit

1136
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:38,079
a candle and then

1137
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,119
so

1138
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,440
then miss ray launches into the reading

1139
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,880
for this woman

1140
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:45,839
and she told this woman like the exact

1141
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,400
same script that she told me

1142
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,480
oh i can see that you're an honest

1143
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,560
person and sometimes that gets you into

1144
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,599
trouble

1145
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:56,319
i can see her very trustworthy everybody

1146
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,720
knows that they can trust you

1147
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:00,400
i can see you're the person in your

1148
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:02,400
family that everybody goes to when they

1149
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,839
need help i can see that you're a good

1150
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,160
person you always try to do the right

1151
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,560
thing even when it's difficult

1152
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,400
it was like

1153
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:14,720
when she gave my reading she was reading

1154
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,319
from a script

1155
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480
and then she's giving this completely

1156
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,640
separate person and i saw her on the way

1157
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,640
out look would be like a 90 year old

1158
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,720
really old woman that was having trouble

1159
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:25,920
walking

1160
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:29,520
the same exact reading

1161
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,560
now

1162
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:33,200
uh that was probably the last time

1163
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,400
uh

1164
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,720
that day when this

1165
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,920
psychic

1166
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,560
if you could call her that paid me

1167
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,319
and she said are you coming back next

1168
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:44,839
week stephen i'm gonna get more

1169
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,400
flyers and i thanked her and uh for the

1170
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,880
ten dollars and i said say goodbye to

1171
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,400
jimmy for me i'm sorry but i'm not going

1172
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,160
to be able to do it anymore miss ray and

1173
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,079
she said why

1174
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:58,319
and i remember i looked at her and i

1175
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,000
said i don't want to help you scam

1176
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:01,599
anybody else

1177
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,800
and the look on her face was so

1178
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:06,240
priceless

1179
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,800
like i i she had a mixture on her face

1180
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:12,319
of anger

1181
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,680
shame and just being humiliated because

1182
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,079
here's this kid that knows she's just a

1183
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:21,599
total fraud and she's scamming people

1184
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,200
and i never went back there and miss ray

1185
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,520
had a brilliant career

1186
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,720
for the next couple years robin every

1187
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,960
person that walked in there for ten or

1188
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,680
twenty dollars and some people she

1189
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:37,680
robbed for a lot more

1190
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,839
because when she did the medium sessions

1191
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:42,079
and talked to people's dead relatives i

1192
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,599
think that was fifty dollars

1193
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,839
now from time to time some people from

1194
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,440
the neighborhood would say hey didn't

1195
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,440
you work for that miss ray is she for

1196
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,000
real and i told everybody that ever

1197
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:56,160
asked me that she's a complete and total

1198
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,599
fraud

1199
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,079
and it even got back to her son jimmy

1200
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,920
who saw me in the neighborhood one time

1201
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,359
and like

1202
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,359
i don't know that he threatened me he

1203
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,160
kind of threatened me he said i don't

1204
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:09,440
want you i don't want to hear from

1205
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,560
anybody else

1206
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,440
that you're telling lies about my mother

1207
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,440
and i said jimmy i didn't tell any lies

1208
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,520
i told people that she's not real that

1209
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:19,760
she's fake that's true she's not real

1210
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,280
she's fake

1211
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,440
and he said she's just trying to make a

1212
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:25,920
living and help people and you shouldn't

1213
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,720
say

1214
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,680
anything

1215
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,000
negative about her ever again and he

1216
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,880
like almost got my face a little bit so

1217
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,760
yeah i think i think her son who as i

1218
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:37,599
recall he didn't really have a job or

1219
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,040
anything he just

1220
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:41,920
lived in there with his mom

1221
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,599
so that's my story about working for uh

1222
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,720
who i perceive to be a fake psychic

1223
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,119
and i know there's stories from other

1224
00:47:54,549 --> 00:47:52,720
magicians i know

1225
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,559
who have exposed some of these people

1226
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,319
now remember that i'm not taking any

1227
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,520
credit for

1228
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:00,079
exposing a psychic at that young age i'm

1229
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,119
just telling you my experience with one

1230
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,960
at a very young age that was my first

1231
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,800
experience with one so that you would

1232
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:07,680
know

1233
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:11,920
feelings that i have about these issues

1234
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,119
and why i feel so strongly that they

1235
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:16,960
should be exposed

1236
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,079
the analogy i always give is that if i

1237
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,400
tell you i'm gonna cut your grass and

1238
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,000
charge you fifty dollars and just

1239
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,680
pretend to

1240
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,599
i mean you're gonna want your money back

1241
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,680
but a psychic can just pretend to talk

1242
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,760
to your dead grandmother

1243
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,240
not really do it just pretend to and

1244
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,400
then keep your money

1245
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,640
and ladies and gentlemen to me

1246
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:41,280
that is totally and utterly

1247
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,079
just

1248
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,109
now one of the things that it's very

1249
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,359
important to realize

1250
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:52,480
i mean think of the example that i gave

1251
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:56,400
because that's one of the techniques

1252
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:00,839
in the case of the reading of miss ray

1253
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,880
she told me i was an honest person

1254
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,119
and waited for a response and i nodded

1255
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,520
my head yes

1256
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,079
she told me i was a trustworthy person

1257
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:14,480
and waited for a response

1258
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,599
and i nod at my head yes

1259
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,680
she told me i was the person that people

1260
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:21,599
came to for help

1261
00:49:27,030 --> 00:49:23,920
i was somebody that people could depend

1262
00:49:28,829 --> 00:49:27,040
on and waited for a response and i

1263
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,839
nodded my head

1264
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,559
yes

1265
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:32,800
and that my friends is one of the

1266
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,800
psychic techniques that you should look

1267
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:37,040
for if you ever do get a reading

1268
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,000
because

1269
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,520
first of all

1270
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,960
everything they throw out is a

1271
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:43,040
generalized statement that could apply

1272
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:44,559
to anybody

1273
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:46,290
and secondly

1274
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,520
[Music]

1275
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,240
in order to get positive hits in order

1276
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:52,640
to get you to agree with them

1277
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,839
they throw out things like that

1278
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,119
i mean

1279
00:50:02,230 --> 00:49:59,599
what is the typical response

1280
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,240
if somebody were to say you're an honest

1281
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:03,920
person

1282
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,240
they need help

1283
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,880
i mean most people they want to be good

1284
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:14,480
people of course they're going to say

1285
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,760
yes yes i am a good person i am an

1286
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,400
honest person yeah

1287
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,839
and

1288
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:24,559
so that's how a fake psychic will get

1289
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,040
hits from most people

1290
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,480
is to ascribe positive things to their

1291
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,240
personality

1292
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:34,400
and that's the trap

1293
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:37,359
so later people recollect the reading

1294
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,680
and they say wow you know yeah they

1295
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:40,400
really

1296
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:41,200
they

1297
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,480
knew so much about me

1298
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,040
but really they're just throwing out

1299
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,760
positive things like you're trustworthy

1300
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,920
or you're honest

1301
00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:53,440
i mean

1302
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,040
just imagine if a psychic is doing a

1303
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,119
reading on people let's say they do a

1304
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,079
reading 100 people and they say i can

1305
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,480
see your aura and i can tell you're a

1306
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,960
very honest person

1307
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,359
how many people out of that hundred do

1308
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:12,640
you think would say no i'm not honest i

1309
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,960
lie i lie constantly i lie to everybody

1310
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,960
i i don't think out of a hundred you'd

1311
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,240
get one

1312
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,119
that would disagree with being an honest

1313
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,720
person

1314
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,720
so that is one thing that's very

1315
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,400
important to look for

1316
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:30,640
anytime you know if you pay for a

1317
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,040
psychic reading and they're giving you

1318
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,440
all of these generalized statements and

1319
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,160
ascribing positive traits to your

1320
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:40,800
personality or your person or you as a

1321
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,839
person

1322
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,760
it's a scam

1323
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:45,760
because most people are just going to

1324
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,760
nod and say yes yes i am honest yes yes

1325
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:52,079
i am trustworthy

1326
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,440
and i told the story of miss ray

1327
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:57,680
because it's kind of funny like i've

1328
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:01,680
come back to that reading of miss ray

1329
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,160
hundreds of times in my life because

1330
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,160
every other time

1331
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:11,760
i've seen the same exact technique like

1332
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,760
so many times

1333
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,319
because i have to say like you know

1334
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:18,400
first of all people that know me know i

1335
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,720
have an interest to this and that i look

1336
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,200
i truly want to find somebody that's a

1337
00:52:27,430 --> 00:52:25,440
real and genuine psychic that would make

1338
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,440
my life if i could find somebody that

1339
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,800
had real supernatural psychic ability

1340
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:33,280
and i'd be the first person

1341
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:36,880
to admit if i found that person but

1342
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:38,559
man i have

1343
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,200
gone to a ton of different people

1344
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,880
because every once in a while somebody

1345
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,280
that's a believer that i say you know

1346
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:47,680
because i know people and friends and

1347
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,680
family that are big believers and i

1348
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,839
always tell them what [\h__\h] this is

1349
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:53,440
all [\h__\h]

1350
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,280
and once in a while somebody will say

1351
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,240
well most of them are [\h__\h] but this

1352
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,880
person you have to see you have to get a

1353
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:03,599
reading they're so accurate

1354
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:06,880
and i have from time to time plop down

1355
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:10,240
some cash and go on and you know okay

1356
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:12,079
let's check them out

1357
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:15,760
and time and time again i've gotten a

1358
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,880
similar reading that i got from miss ray

1359
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:20,400
when i was like

1360
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,040
you know i have to say was probably

1361
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:25,680
either the year before high school or

1362
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:28,319
maybe even seventh grade it was either

1363
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:30,880
seventh or eighth grade i believe

1364
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,680
my experience with miss ray

1365
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,599
and at the time

1366
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,920
you know i was reading all these books

1367
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,559
on the occult and psychic phenomenon and

1368
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,400
nori

1369
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:43,520
you know

1370
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:46,000
i really wanted to believe that this was

1371
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:48,079
possible and i even thought for a time

1372
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,240
maybe i could do that or i could learn

1373
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,880
to do that so i had this huge interest

1374
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,920
in it and

1375
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:56,720
you know i got that early experience

1376
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:59,920
with this psychic and it just left me

1377
00:54:02,370 --> 00:54:00,880
kind of

1378
00:54:03,510 --> 00:54:02,380
angry because

1379
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:03,520
[Music]

1380
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,480
you know

1381
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,000
i'm not going to tell you any sad

1382
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,400
stories but you know where i grew up

1383
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,640
people didn't have a lot of money

1384
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:13,920
so for some woman to come in some gypsy

1385
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,720
woman to come in and just scam people it

1386
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,040
kind of pissed me off and that formed a

1387
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,359
big part of my opinion about

1388
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,359
what psychics are

1389
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:25,520
and what they do

1390
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,559
and

1391
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:28,160
i guess

1392
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,680
you know

1393
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,599
really what i think they do is just rip

1394
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,160
people off because they're pretending to

1395
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,119
do something that they can't really do

1396
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,680
and they're taking people's money

1397
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:41,119
now

1398
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:42,319
again

1399
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,240
i've gotten a reading from somebody else

1400
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,040
that's smacked of the same technique

1401
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,079
that miss ray used which is to throw out

1402
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,319
general statements wait for you to give

1403
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,200
a positive response and keep talking

1404
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,440
and then if they get a negative response

1405
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,319
they throw out more stuff and see which

1406
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,559
thing you agree with and then they talk

1407
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,680
about that this is standard cold reading

1408
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,319
practices it's used by almost every

1409
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:12,799
psychic that i've ever seen

1410
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:15,280
i and all the psychic

1411
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,839
people or you know so-called psychic

1412
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:20,559
people i've ever met or encountered

1413
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,160
and trust me i've looked i've never had

1414
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,960
someone tell me something that nobody

1415
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,200
else would really know

1416
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:31,440
unless they had a supernatural ability

1417
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,119
not once not once

1418
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,000
and so you know honestly it's left me

1419
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,599
being a big skeptic because

1420
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,319
i think it's wrong to take money from

1421
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,799
people for a service and then just

1422
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,760
pretend to deliver that service

1423
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,400
and again as a as a magician and an

1424
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,559
entertainer i've done all this kind of

1425
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,319
stuff but people know like they're

1426
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,000
coming to a show

1427
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,040
you know you're coming to be entertained

1428
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,920
and even worse than a fake psychic i

1429
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:06,640
think is a fake medium because they

1430
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:09,520
just scam people out of their money

1431
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:12,400
to talk to their dead relatives

1432
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,760
and that's really terrible i mean

1433
00:56:20,470 --> 00:56:18,000
that's a time in somebody's life when

1434
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:20,480
they're most vulnerable and that's what

1435
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:24,319
these people these fake psychics prey on

1436
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,240
and as i see some of these tv mediums

1437
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:31,119
and i'm to publicly state that they're

1438
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,240
fake

1439
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,799
every one of them i mean

1440
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,440
john edwards complete and total fake

1441
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,280
he's been proven a complete and total

1442
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,760
fake by hidden camera investigations and

1443
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,440
all these different things but he's

1444
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:46,319
still a millionaire selling books and tv

1445
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,760
shows and

1446
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,200
you know

1447
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,559
i think he costs 300

1448
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,599
uh for a very very quick five-minute

1449
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,640
reading

1450
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,119
i mean 300 bucks for five minutes that

1451
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,359
guy's making a mint right

1452
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,400
and sylvia brown

1453
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,200
oh my god i know she's recently passed

1454
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,520
and i know it's terrible to speak ill of

1455
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:12,640
the dead but sylvia brown was my very

1456
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,920
favorite fake psychic medium

1457
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,799
because

1458
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:19,200
she's been on talk shows

1459
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,440
uh telling a couple with a missing

1460
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,559
child oh i'm so sorry yes they're dead

1461
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,599
they've passed over to the other side

1462
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:31,920
because that person

1463
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,960
you know i'm sorry that couple's child

1464
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:37,599
was missing for a long time as i recall

1465
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,720
it was more than six months or a year

1466
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:43,920
and silvia brown on a talk show

1467
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,799
you know

1468
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,119
medium extraordinaire who can talk to

1469
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:49,839
the dead psychic extraordinaire master

1470
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:53,680
psychic all this different stuff

1471
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,240
tells a

1472
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,520
couple

1473
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,720
in the most tragic circumstance of their

1474
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,480
entire lives

1475
00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,720
having a child that was kidnapped that

1476
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,839
their child was

1477
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,400
dead

1478
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:10,960
and sometime later

1479
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,599
that child was found alive

1480
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,319
in the home of the abductor

1481
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,960
that kidnapped them

1482
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,599
now if that's not enough

1483
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:24,240
to prove to you that these people are

1484
00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:25,520
frauds

1485
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:28,640
and pariahs and just

1486
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,319
you know sharks that just

1487
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,640
scam people

1488
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,359
at the lowest point in their lives then

1489
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,920
what will it take to convince you

1490
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:40,880
because

1491
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:43,359
you know when i heard about that

1492
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:46,559
with sylvia brown i was just like this

1493
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:48,839
woman needs to be

1494
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,079
prosecuted there has to be new laws

1495
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,240
passed against this kind of stuff that's

1496
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:56,720
the only way it's going to stop because

1497
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,920
they keep on just you know keeping on

1498
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,599
they have

1499
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,280
i heard about

1500
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,839
some laws being passed in different

1501
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,559
states against psychics or tarot card

1502
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:11,280
readers but really there's no there's no

1503
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,559
clear lev legislation that would prevent

1504
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:17,440
people from taking advantage of grieving

1505
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,400
people

1506
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,559
who lost a loved one or

1507
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,720
you know

1508
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,599
had

1509
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:27,200
some tragic circumstance happen

1510
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:29,839
now i guess the flip side would be that

1511
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:32,720
there have been proven cases with the

1512
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,319
police where a so-called psychic came in

1513
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:38,480
and gave the police some kind of

1514
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:41,599
tips or insight which led to

1515
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:44,079
a resolution of the case and that's the

1516
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,160
kind of stuff like wow every once in a

1517
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:51,359
while i will find one little tidbit of

1518
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:53,760
something that keeps me interested that

1519
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,839
keeps me hopeful that maybe just maybe

1520
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:01,040
somebody is genuine but

1521
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:03,599
the thing i always come back to

1522
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,040
is this and i think it's very important

1523
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:09,520
let's imagine for a moment that you had

1524
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:13,280
a god-given talent to see

1525
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:17,680
uh into the future or to see

1526
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,599
psychically

1527
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:20,400
uh

1528
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,040
you know remote

1529
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,520
events in the past or you had the

1530
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,119
ability to

1531
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,839
speak to the dead

1532
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,680
and let's say

1533
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,440
you have the ability to speak to the

1534
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:35,359
dead and there was a murder victim and

1535
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:37,599
you could speak to that victim

1536
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,400
of let's say an unsolved homicide and

1537
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,559
you can speak to that victim and say who

1538
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,720
was it that killed you and i'll go and

1539
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,760
tell the local police so that person can

1540
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,920
face justice

1541
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,119
or

1542
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,280
any of these things

1543
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,880
would you

1544
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:57,599
really if you had that true and honest

1545
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:01,280
ability try to profit from it for money

1546
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:04,480
and i think that's the big litmus test

1547
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:05,440
because

1548
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,760
i've almost never seen somebody with

1549
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:09,920
these so-called abilities doing it for

1550
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:13,040
the betterment of people it's always how

1551
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,079
much money do you have or what's your

1552
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:18,559
budget what's your budget

1553
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:22,000
is an amazing thing to me the fact that

1554
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,799
like

1555
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:25,119
somebody could want us you know have

1556
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:26,799
some kind of resolution of a dead

1557
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,480
relative and a psychic medium asks well

1558
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:32,400
what's your budget

1559
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:35,520
that is crazy to me that's exactly like

1560
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,079
saying how much can i steal from you

1561
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:44,789
and so

1562
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,760
you know i'm left with this

1563
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,400
the big test for me is if you really had

1564
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:53,200
some kind of god-given ability

1565
01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:56,319
wouldn't you use that to help people

1566
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:58,720
or would you simply write a bunch of

1567
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,599
books and get a tv show and try to

1568
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,079
profit from that ability

1569
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,160
i mean i guess we all try to profit from

1570
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,720
our god-given abilities but it seems so

1571
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,520
wrong and slimy to me

1572
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:13,440
that somebody would take money from

1573
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:15,680
somebody with a dead relative to speak

1574
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,319
to them and that's why i think mediums

1575
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,799
especially or even more harmful than

1576
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:22,559
psychics

1577
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:25,119
and so now i guess

1578
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:27,039
you know the best thing to do is talk to

1579
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:30,000
some of my other magician friends

1580
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:30,799
and

1581
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:33,680
uh we're going to try to educate you

1582
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:36,640
so that you know how not to get ripped

1583
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:39,440
off and not to get scammed by these

1584
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:40,559
people

1585
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:43,520
who are simply frauds

1586
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,520
and so my first guest tonight i'm very

1587
01:02:51,190 --> 01:02:47,280
excited to have him

1588
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,200
is known as the urban entity

1589
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:54,160
this guy is an amazing performer

1590
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,799
who reads minds who bends metal who

1591
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,960
talks to the dead who foretells the

1592
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,319
future

1593
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:03,119
he is a mind-reading magician

1594
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,359
or a mentalist

1595
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,520
who better than him with his amazing

1596
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:10,000
insight into these things to reveal to

1597
01:03:14,069 --> 01:03:12,720
us the truth behind fake psychics and

1598
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,079
mediums

1599
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:16,160
the things he can do are amazing but he

1600
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,920
doesn't claim any psychic powers he does

1601
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:19,680
it to entertain people

1602
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,029
hello

1603
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,359
hey there is this cedric

1604
01:03:35,990 --> 01:03:34,240
yes how's it going steven good i'm so

1605
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:36,000
glad to talk to you

1606
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:37,839
yeah man it's a pleasure

1607
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,880
uh

1608
01:03:43,029 --> 01:03:41,680
so i guess i wanted to ask you my first

1609
01:03:43,750 --> 01:03:43,039
question i asked

1610
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:43,760
is

1611
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,720
how do you feel just in general about

1612
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:49,520
psychics and mediums that take people's

1613
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,200
money

1614
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:53,680
oh man i think it's a scam and i know

1615
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,319
that's kind of cliche uh when i say this

1616
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,559
and i think it would be better if i

1617
01:04:01,109 --> 01:04:00,000
explain why

1618
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,119
because

1619
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:03,359
um you know when you

1620
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:04,720
when you're dealing with you know with

1621
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,119
psychics and stuff like that i mean it's

1622
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:09,599
blatant obvious as a mentalist as myself

1623
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:11,680
as a mentalism i know you're pretty well

1624
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,359
versed in mentalism as well yeah

1625
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:17,440
the benefit of my listeners though

1626
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:19,440
because uh i could explain it but i

1627
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:21,119
think since you're

1628
01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,839
primarily a mentalist can you explain

1629
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,160
first to the listeners what exactly a

1630
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:28,319
mentalist is as opposed to a regular

1631
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:29,680
magician

1632
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:33,280
okay a mentalist is a person who does

1633
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:34,880
you know

1634
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:37,839
magic but it's more along uh

1635
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:39,920
things with the mind you know like

1636
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,640
reading people's thoughts things like

1637
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,359
making objects move uh with the mind or

1638
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:47,039
what we call psychokinesis or

1639
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,440
telekinesis and stuff like that

1640
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,160
even hypnosis and things like that and

1641
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,400
but one of the aspects involves

1642
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:56,000
something known as

1643
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:58,640
readings and when you're doing readings

1644
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,640
it's broken down into

1645
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:02,160
cold readings

1646
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:03,920
and hot readings

1647
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,720
and cold readings are basically um

1648
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:07,680
you know

1649
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,880
more or less generalized statements

1650
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:13,359
sure you know where you're uh looking

1651
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:15,920
for hits and the reason and hits are

1652
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,960
basically when you know if i were to um

1653
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:20,880
say something that's that's kind of

1654
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,799
vague more more than more than likely

1655
01:05:28,789 --> 01:05:26,880
it's going to reach about half the

1656
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,799
people that i say something like if i

1657
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,000
was just say

1658
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:33,119
um you know someone in this room

1659
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:34,559
suffered um

1660
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,480
you know a tragic loss when they read

1661
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,680
little

1662
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,039
yeah of course typically there's

1663
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,280
somebody in the room yeah it's going to

1664
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:42,960
apply to someone

1665
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:44,480
and so

1666
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:47,599
if i'm able to you know to um you know

1667
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,480
find out who those people are you know

1668
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,559
or just look just look at listen to

1669
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,319
their reactions you know maybe people

1670
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,240
may not and things like that

1671
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,559
you can always zero in on things that

1672
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,160
may have happened to them you know

1673
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:02,160
you're going to be off sometimes you're

1674
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:03,039
off

1675
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,160
sometimes you're going to be dead at

1676
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,000
home but it doesn't mean that we're

1677
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,240
psychic what we're doing is using clues

1678
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,319
context clues maybe the way a person

1679
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:12,640
looks maybe the way a person you know

1680
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,520
um

1681
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:15,039
you know

1682
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:20,319
you can kind of tell

1683
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,359
what a person you know may have done or

1684
01:06:27,990 --> 01:06:26,240
may do even for a living

1685
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,000
i've heard one mentalist tell me that he

1686
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:29,760
could tell somebody's income level

1687
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:32,960
simply by their shoes and their watch

1688
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,760
yeah

1689
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,480
well i've heard that as well and

1690
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,880
and that's the reason why i say you know

1691
01:06:43,510 --> 01:06:40,799
these are these people who do that and

1692
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,520
take money they're basically doing what

1693
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:44,880
i'm doing

1694
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:46,799
but i'm not taking their money on the

1695
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:48,079
account of

1696
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:49,760
i'm promising them

1697
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,559
connections with their loved ones or

1698
01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,559
other uh you know people that has passed

1699
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,720
on you know and that's you know if

1700
01:07:00,309 --> 01:06:58,079
you're gonna lie about it let them know

1701
01:07:01,190 --> 01:07:00,319
okay this is a trick this here is a you

1702
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,200
know

1703
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,680
entertainment so but it's not gonna be

1704
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:05,280
my listeners the major difference

1705
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,079
between a mentalist and a fake psychic

1706
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:10,400
or fake medium is that a mentalist will

1707
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,640
tell you i'm doing this purely for

1708
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:14,880
entertainment and and many of them will

1709
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:17,520
say like banach will say anybody can

1710
01:07:22,230 --> 01:07:20,240
learn to do this it's not of course

1711
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:22,240
of course so you're not claiming any

1712
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,039
supernatural powers or and the other the

1713
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:26,640
other thing that's interesting to me

1714
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:27,440
about

1715
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,079
mentalists and psychics and mediums is

1716
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:32,079
that they both basically use the same

1717
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:33,440
tricks

1718
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,440
from from my experience there are a lot

1719
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,069
yes it is i mean

1720
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:42,480
we're doing the same thing but like i

1721
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:45,599
said a psychic will act like what

1722
01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,799
they're doing is genuine you know

1723
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:50,319
and they're and they're playing with

1724
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,230
especially when it comes to mediums the

1725
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,000
problem that i have is

1726
01:08:02,870 --> 01:08:00,319
uh that they're taking advantage of

1727
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,880
somebody who's in a state of really

1728
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,720
grief and it's like the worst time of

1729
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:06,480
their life maybe they just lost somebody

1730
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,240
incredibly close to them

1731
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:10,640
and you know along comes a medium who

1732
01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:12,160
will help you

1733
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,480
but really i've never met a medium that

1734
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:15,920
helped anybody except their own

1735
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,030
i have never uh met anyone like that as

1736
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,120
well it's it's pretty much the same

1737
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:25,520
thing yeah they're always dressed up in

1738
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:27,520
in different um

1739
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,120
you know they're wrapped in different

1740
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,000
bows and by by that i mean

1741
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:34,319
some people some of the psychics may say

1742
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,000
they're counselors

1743
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:38,080
yeah i mean who exactly are you

1744
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:40,080
counseling you're basically promising

1745
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,839
people to connect with loved ones when

1746
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,520
so all you're really doing is playing on

1747
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,480
their emotions and using techniques that

1748
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,400
anyone can learn

1749
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,839
yeah and i guess the other question i

1750
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:54,000
would ask i ask every mentalist that i

1751
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,960
know

1752
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:56,640
have you ever

1753
01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,520
ever in the the history of you being

1754
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,679
interested in this met

1755
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:02,960
one person

1756
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,349
just maybe

1757
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,040
somewhere of course

1758
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:22,640
you know

1759
01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:24,480
and there's there's actually a funny

1760
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,120
story here uh in my past i've actually

1761
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:29,199
dated a woman who said she was a media

1762
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,560
you know and she was supposed to be in

1763
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,279
this empath who could you know tell you

1764
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:35,440
things about yourselves and

1765
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:38,080
about loved ones who have passed on

1766
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,040
and

1767
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:40,799
you know in the the nature of the

1768
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:43,600
relationship was rather weird because

1769
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,640
here i've got strange dates

1770
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:48,719
between you

1771
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,199
oh man it was it was horrible it was it

1772
01:09:56,149 --> 01:09:53,359
was tragic because you know

1773
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,159
i you know and it could not

1774
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,920
go along with her

1775
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,000
telling people that you know their loved

1776
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:02,800
ones saying this when when i know

1777
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,760
exactly what techniques was involved i'm

1778
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:07,600
not going to go in within the technique

1779
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,600
that she used but

1780
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,560
you know i always tell people trust me

1781
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:14,080
like like a lot of magicians and

1782
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:15,520
mentalists

1783
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,400
cedric doesn't want to reveal any of the

1784
01:10:21,110 --> 01:10:19,679
specifics

1785
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:21,120
you know other than the general

1786
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,880
knowledge like cold reading and things

1787
01:10:26,149 --> 01:10:24,800
like that and i respect that and i'm the

1788
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:26,159
same kind of way i'm not really going to

1789
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:28,560
be revealing anything for today's show

1790
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,880
specifically if you're that interested

1791
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,640
though you can go get a book on

1792
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:34,960
mentalism or magic tricks and you could

1793
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:37,280
see what we're talking about

1794
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:40,719
so tell us about your dating friend

1795
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:43,760
oh man she she was

1796
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:45,920
it was it was crazy she she had these

1797
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,600
clients and she would rack them up

1798
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:49,840
mostly at night and they were consistent

1799
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,440
of mostly um women who had been

1800
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,199
probably divorced or

1801
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,440
older people you know people you know

1802
01:11:03,110 --> 01:10:59,840
who are probably maybe have lost a

1803
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:03,120
a child or maybe a you know a widow or a

1804
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:04,400
widower

1805
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:07,280
and it seems like people that these well

1806
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,640
they had these emotional they were at

1807
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:10,560
this emotional state that they were

1808
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,560
receptive to anything that would give

1809
01:11:16,870 --> 01:11:14,239
them a glimmer of hope

1810
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:16,880
of just reconnecting with

1811
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,280
you know their loved one and

1812
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:21,280
and i you know i really couldn't stand

1813
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:22,640
by idly

1814
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,120
and allow that to happen so i confronted

1815
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:26,880
i was like you know you know what you're

1816
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:29,280
doing is it's wrong you know you know

1817
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:32,560
and here i am i'm not a morality police

1818
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,239
though some people may say i am but i'm

1819
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:36,000
not um

1820
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,600
but you know

1821
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:39,760
it's just you know to play on people's

1822
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,480
feelings i just i just cannot see myself

1823
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,800
doing it and being up breaking up after

1824
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,480
a couple of months

1825
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:48,320
because i you know i would tell you i'm

1826
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,000
telling her i said look anything you can

1827
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,400
do i can replicate it now i know i'm not

1828
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,679
a psychic

1829
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:56,159
but yeah if you're playing the truth

1830
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:57,679
that i wanted to make to my listeners is

1831
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,440
that i know

1832
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:01,440
a lot of different performers that can

1833
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:05,360
replicate 100 i can myself most psychics

1834
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,120
that i've met or mediums i can not only

1835
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,640
replicate but i think a lot of

1836
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,600
mentalists like you or magicians like me

1837
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,840
can even surpass some of the effects

1838
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,440
that they show they they kind of show

1839
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:19,920
lower level effects and i think that's

1840
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:22,800
to make it more believable you know yeah

1841
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:24,480
of course

1842
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,320
because if they were omnipotent and were

1843
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,360
getting 100 accurate hits

1844
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:31,600
it would it would be less

1845
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,470
did you finally end up breaking up with

1846
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,159
the psychic girl

1847
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:40,480
i actually did even though we keep in

1848
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,440
touch but you know the breakup was a bit

1849
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,960
you know a bit was a bit difficult

1850
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,840
because

1851
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:47,679
you know breakup breaking up with

1852
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,719
someone

1853
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,560
technically hasn't you know done

1854
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,120
anything wrong to you but to other

1855
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:55,280
people you know that's that can be a

1856
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:56,239
little bit

1857
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:57,280
kind of

1858
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:01,360
person she is though you know yeah of

1859
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:07,350
i couldn't i couldn't stand for it and

1860
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:08,400
you know

1861
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:09,920
and like i tell a lot of people i'm not

1862
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,640
a morality police you know so but you

1863
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,400
know that right there was just crossing

1864
01:13:19,110 --> 01:13:16,719
the line to me sure sure and i don't

1865
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,120
know about you but i think you and and

1866
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:21,440
me and a lot of magicians and mentalists

1867
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,040
i know feel like you have a

1868
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,360
responsibility to educate people and

1869
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:27,520
like houdini busted so many fake

1870
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:29,679
spiritualists and mediums and fake

1871
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:32,239
psychics because he could see you know

1872
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,679
we're the same way we could see through

1873
01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:35,280
their tricks so don't you think you have

1874
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,360
a responsibility sometimes to educate

1875
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:39,520
people and say look i can do this trick

1876
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,159
too but i say it's a trick

1877
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,400
of course of course and then there's you

1878
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:46,719
know to anyone who's actually uh you

1879
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,360
know

1880
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,679
interested in this sort of stuff and

1881
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,679
seeing what you know what is real and

1882
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:54,080
what isn't real i would

1883
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:55,600
tell them look no further than darren

1884
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:58,000
brown this is this is a guy who's been

1885
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,719
in the business for a long time and

1886
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:03,120
you know and if you see his material

1887
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:05,679
he would show you what he does

1888
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:08,640
as opposed to what a medium or psychic

1889
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:10,480
claim that they could do and he'll let

1890
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:11,440
you know

1891
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,000
any special powers but you'll see him do

1892
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,320
something that's really over the top and

1893
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:20,640
really amazing and he'd be like

1894
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,600
wow you know is this that real

1895
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:25,840
but he'll let you know he's not there's

1896
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,280
nothing real

1897
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:28,880
you know on a sense of

1898
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,280
supernatural what he's doing it's it's

1899
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:33,600
all techniques sure darren brown is one

1900
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,840
of my favorites and my other favorite uh

1901
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,000
is banach and one of the things i love

1902
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,679
about banach is

1903
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:41,600
just to display to the listeners like

1904
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:42,480
how

1905
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,440
just really truly want to believe that

1906
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:49,040
this person has genuine psychic

1907
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:50,239
abilities

1908
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:52,960
banach is a mentalist like cedric who

1909
01:14:59,270 --> 01:14:56,159
happened to early in his career

1910
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,280
get into a scientific study of psychics

1911
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:02,000
and he fooled every scientist they were

1912
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,719
all completely 100 percent

1913
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,159
you know people were starting to write

1914
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,400
papers on him

1915
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,320
stating that he had genuine psychic

1916
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,080
abilities and at the end of it he came

1917
01:15:18,550 --> 01:15:14,480
out and revealed no i i'm a mentalist i

1918
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,910
and

1919
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,280
don't you think people just want to

1920
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:22,880
believe i mean this guy can come in in

1921
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,280
full psychics or excuse me he can come

1922
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:26,960
in full scientists who are supposed to

1923
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:29,520
be naturally skeptical people

1924
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,920
i mean you're correct i mean it doesn't

1925
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:33,840
get any better than that you know when

1926
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,040
you're full in scientists and in mind

1927
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,520
you uh the tests that you know that they

1928
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,400
were doing you know at those times were

1929
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,239
you know they were they were not easy

1930
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:46,000
tasks

1931
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,239
no one could just come in and just pull

1932
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:50,239
these things off

1933
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,110
as a magician because i think i could

1934
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,880
maybe do something for some of them but

1935
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:01,920
some of them

1936
01:16:05,030 --> 01:16:02,800
were

1937
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,040
really difficult to kind of cheat but he

1938
01:16:09,990 --> 01:16:08,000
found a way he found a way in every in

1939
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:10,000
almost every test they gave him to cheat

1940
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:11,600
it

1941
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:14,960
i agree i agree and you know that brings

1942
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:17,920
i was actually talking with um

1943
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:21,040
you know a fantastic uh mentalist uh i

1944
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:22,480
think you know him his name is bob

1945
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:23,679
cassidy

1946
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:24,800
sure

1947
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:27,280
oh man he was telling me about of course

1948
01:16:32,229 --> 01:16:30,159
i mean this guy is a legend

1949
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,239
and bob cassidy was letting me know uh

1950
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,080
because i was doing research on a guy

1951
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:39,990
and you know and messing

1952
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:43,520
was you know he was a very fantastic

1953
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,199
mentalist

1954
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:47,120
you know and i think it was

1955
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,960
i think it was if it was in russia or

1956
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:50,640
something like that and

1957
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:53,120
he had he had

1958
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:56,719
tricked some people like uh einstein

1959
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,360
and and others and you know you know we

1960
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:01,520
all everyone's aware that einstein is

1961
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:02,400
like

1962
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,840
a genius

1963
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,679
and he was very skeptical

1964
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:07,440
of the supernatural himself yeah of

1965
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,400
course

1966
01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,080
and and so you know into trick iron

1967
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,000
science and that's

1968
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:14,320
that's top level stuff

1969
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,510
and so i guess the other question i

1970
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:21,280
would ask is

1971
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,199
you know what do you say to people

1972
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,120
who still want to give their money to

1973
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:27,440
these people because genuine generally

1974
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:29,440
what i say is just as long as you

1975
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:31,199
realize it's just entertainment and

1976
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:32,880
don't give them too much and don't go

1977
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,199
real deep you know

1978
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:36,960
what do you say yeah i still want to

1979
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,960
spend money on this

1980
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,199
i would tell them you know

1981
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,199
i would actually advise them not to do

1982
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,040
it i mean man we could spend our money

1983
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,800
on a lot of different things but at the

1984
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:48,400
same time we can't tell people how to

1985
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:50,960
spend their money but just know that no

1986
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:52,640
matter how convincing

1987
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:55,360
a psychic is at the end of the day it's

1988
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:57,520
pure entertainment

1989
01:18:03,270 --> 01:17:59,840
sure anything you should you should be

1990
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:03,280
aware of that is pure entertainment

1991
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:05,040
yeah you know the analogy that i always

1992
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:07,120
use and i tell people this is

1993
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:08,480
that in

1994
01:18:14,149 --> 01:18:11,520
any other situation like for example if

1995
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,159
you paid me to cut your grass

1996
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,239
and i just pretended to do it and still

1997
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,760
kept your money

1998
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:19,280
that would be a crime

1999
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:20,800
but somehow

2000
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,080
mediums they can just pretend to talk to

2001
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,000
your dead relative or pretend to tell

2002
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,400
your future and keep your money and

2003
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:30,960
there's no repercussions

2004
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,239
do you think there should be laws

2005
01:18:36,070 --> 01:18:33,920
against it

2006
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,080
of course absolutely there should be

2007
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:38,400
laws against that because you know not

2008
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:41,199
everyone is aware of you know

2009
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,400
that these people are just pretending

2010
01:18:49,110 --> 01:18:46,320
and you use the word pretending that was

2011
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,120
a very great uh you know description

2012
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,440
they're pretending to do this and not

2013
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,040
everyone is aware not everyone is was

2014
01:18:56,550 --> 01:18:55,120
gonna you know probably hear this um

2015
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:56,560
this segment

2016
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:57,920
but you know people should become you

2017
01:19:02,709 --> 01:18:59,679
know become more educated about this

2018
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:02,719
thing you know and you know skepticism

2019
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,719
is a good thing you know

2020
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,159
a lot you know a lot of people have

2021
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,239
different ideas about what a skeptic is

2022
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:10,480
and you know and what they shouldn't be

2023
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:12,960
involved in but skepticism is always a

2024
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:14,239
good thing because

2025
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,280
i always say if if something is true

2026
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,040
then it's true

2027
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:21,360
no matter how skeptic you know

2028
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:23,840
you are sure yeah because the truth is

2029
01:19:27,750 --> 01:19:25,760
going to prevail yeah it would it would

2030
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:27,760
come out and it would hold up

2031
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,669
so i should also mention that uh

2032
01:19:39,270 --> 01:19:37,360
you want to tell our listeners how they

2033
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,280
can watch some of your work because i

2034
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,760
want them to see you and and

2035
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:43,600
i should just explain

2036
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:44,400
that

2037
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:48,000
interested in this sort of stuff in any

2038
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:49,920
kind of psychic phenomenon or mediums

2039
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,960
you should do yourself a favor and watch

2040
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:54,960
some mentalists perform

2041
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:56,159
because

2042
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,000
you could see cedric do some amazing

2043
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:00,640
things he can seemingly read minds he

2044
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,520
can bend metal he can

2045
01:20:08,229 --> 01:20:05,920
seem to foretell the future and all

2046
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,239
manner of things that these fake

2047
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:10,000
psychics and mediums claim to do with

2048
01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,679
supernatural powers

2049
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,120
so do you want to tell our listeners how

2050
01:20:17,990 --> 01:20:15,360
they could watch some of your work

2051
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:18,000
oh yeah um you could uh

2052
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,040
check me out on in the apple store or

2053
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,280
you know on google play it's called the

2054
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:25,520
urban entity tv

2055
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:28,320
um that's that's virtually an app that

2056
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,199
entails all my material you'll be able

2057
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,679
to watch clips you'll be able to contact

2058
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,280
me personally

2059
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:37,199
and also you'll just be able to know

2060
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,679
more about me you know and

2061
01:20:43,510 --> 01:20:41,520
just even know about some of the things

2062
01:20:46,229 --> 01:20:43,520
that you and i talked about here

2063
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:46,239
sure sure and i should also mention that

2064
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:49,679
cedric puts out uh material for people

2065
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:50,480
who

2066
01:20:55,030 --> 01:20:53,280
want to be performers and his material i

2067
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,040
have some of it with some of the best

2068
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,679
well thought out material so if you're

2069
01:21:01,270 --> 01:20:58,960
if you happen to be a magician or

2070
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,280
mentalist listening to this program and

2071
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:03,280
you want to get some new tricks and

2072
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:09,590
and i guess the other thing i would talk

2073
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:12,480
ask you about is the tv psychics what do

2074
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:16,000
you think of some of the tv psychics

2075
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:17,440
wow um

2076
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:20,960
it was it was a person a guy james randy

2077
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:21,920
i mean

2078
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:24,400
another great skeptic you know and he

2079
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:25,760
told about this

2080
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:27,040
um

2081
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,800
tv psychics or pretty much like you know

2082
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,199
your average psychic now however the tv

2083
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,760
psyche they have the television or the

2084
01:21:40,629 --> 01:21:38,239
what they call the magic of tv editing

2085
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,639
to help them out which means you know

2086
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:42,400
they're going to take away

2087
01:21:44,629 --> 01:21:43,199
their

2088
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,639
where they're not you know where they're

2089
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,800
not hitting or they're not getting you

2090
01:21:50,950 --> 01:21:48,639
know good responses from people or

2091
01:21:52,709 --> 01:21:50,960
they're just outright missing they're

2092
01:21:53,830 --> 01:21:52,719
going to take that out but then they're

2093
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:53,840
just going to be

2094
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:56,080
that's the biggest trick of john edward

2095
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,000
he'll film for an hour and a half to

2096
01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,000
make a half hour show and he'll just

2097
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,920
edit out every time he missed or got a

2098
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:03,520
negative response

2099
01:22:08,070 --> 01:22:06,000
so he looks to be a whole lot more

2100
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,080
accurate on tv than he is if you go to

2101
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,520
an actual live taping and people have uh

2102
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,880
recorded

2103
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,960
some of that stuff

2104
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,880
and you know what i wanted to mention to

2105
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,679
you

2106
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:19,520
that there used to be a great deal of

2107
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:22,159
stuff on john edward on youtube

2108
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,760
and i don't know how i guess through

2109
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,000
copyright claims but he got everything

2110
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:28,159
that was he the youtube used to be

2111
01:22:34,149 --> 01:22:31,120
flooded with like he's a hoax videos or

2112
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,159
like how john edwards does his tricks

2113
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,360
revealed

2114
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,199
and it's all going now i mean it's been

2115
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,719
a few years since i checked but i just

2116
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,159
checked recently

2117
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,000
it's all gone do you think he's using

2118
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,760
copyright claims or something like that

2119
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:45,600
to keep his career going

2120
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,639
i mean very well so it could very well

2121
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:49,920
be so

2122
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:51,440
i've known

2123
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:53,920
several psychics who have done uh this

2124
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:57,040
and you know and a lot of people who may

2125
01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,600
have maybe do not know me or

2126
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,000
do know me i'm a

2127
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,400
christian however

2128
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,040
there's there's these what we call fake

2129
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:09,520
christians or fake faith healers

2130
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,880
sure that's all

2131
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:12,639
but that that should be

2132
01:23:15,110 --> 01:23:13,840
that's man

2133
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,120
they're doing the same thing they're

2134
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,760
doing the same kind of thing and and i i

2135
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,679
don't like that you know and

2136
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,639
it's it's actually bad and they're using

2137
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,639
tv editing they're using

2138
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,880
you know confederates or you know people

2139
01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:29,040
that kind of help them out to find out

2140
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,600
information in their so-called

2141
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,199
receiving stuff from

2142
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,360
the so-called you know

2143
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:37,120
the spirit and stuff like that but you

2144
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,080
know

2145
01:23:42,229 --> 01:23:40,480
that's around the same kind of materials

2146
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,239
sure and i should explain for the

2147
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,639
benefit of the listeners that don't know

2148
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,159
it's common knowledge so we can reveal

2149
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,440
that much a stooge or a confederate is

2150
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,080
somebody that is usually paid and in on

2151
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,199
the act of the performer and that's a

2152
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:57,760
big thing with psychics and mediums

2153
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,320
sometimes they'll just pay an actor

2154
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,560
to and they'll pre-arrange what the hits

2155
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,120
are are going to be like you know maybe

2156
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,199
somebody giving a medium for example

2157
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:09,679
giving a really important tv performance

2158
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:12,880
he'll pay an actor friend of his to go

2159
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,880
into the studio audience and he'll seem

2160
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,040
to not know him and randomly call on him

2161
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:18,880
and have him stand up and he'll talk to

2162
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,639
the guy's dead mother and get a

2163
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,040
tremendously powerful reading and

2164
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:24,960
everybody else in the audience

2165
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,719
they don't know that he's in on it so

2166
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:28,719
they'll go how could he know about that

2167
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:31,360
guy's dead mother and how she died and

2168
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,320
how

2169
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,639
you know she used to cook him this for

2170
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,639
his favorite meal and

2171
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,719
all of these hits that he makes and

2172
01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:40,400
meanwhile he's just a guy that was

2173
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,480
prepaid and they worked it out before

2174
01:24:47,110 --> 01:24:44,719
the show

2175
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,120
faith healers use the same kind of stuff

2176
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:49,840
you know oh yeah yeah here stand here

2177
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:51,199
with these crutches and pretend to be

2178
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,120
crippled you know

2179
01:24:59,510 --> 01:24:55,280
yeah of course ridiculous one of my

2180
01:25:02,310 --> 01:24:59,520
favorites of those kind is peter popoff

2181
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,320
he got busted uh he used to

2182
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:04,960
do a sort of fake psychic trick like you

2183
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,440
know call out somebody's name and tell

2184
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:09,440
him what their ailments are you know

2185
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:11,600
like oh you have heart trouble and you

2186
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,880
live in uh you know south carolina

2187
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,400
and these people would act like how

2188
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,560
could he know this he's talking to god

2189
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,120
but what everyone knows that people used

2190
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,440
to fill out prayer cards before they

2191
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:25,199
when they came in and they would say

2192
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:27,360
what's your ailment where are you from

2193
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,800
you know what do you want to be healed

2194
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,600
of

2195
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,880
and then

2196
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:32,960
his wife would be off

2197
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,960
backstage somewhere and nobody saw her

2198
01:25:39,189 --> 01:25:37,199
and she would be talking to him

2199
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:39,199
reading these prayer cards

2200
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:41,120
and he'd have an earpiece and you

2201
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,199
mentioned james randy james randy busted

2202
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,080
peter pop off and for years this guy

2203
01:25:52,149 --> 01:25:48,800
went away but he came back he's back now

2204
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,159
and not only is it back but as a prank

2205
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,320
i think a magician friend of mine signed

2206
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:57,120
me up for his mailing list and i get

2207
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:00,239
letters from him like i'd say one a week

2208
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:04,080
and he sends me uh holy oil and

2209
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:07,520
you know uh prayer cards and just all

2210
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,000
this holy water

2211
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:12,320
you know miracle spring water

2212
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:14,800
seeds he sends all these crazy things to

2213
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,709
yeah and like that does go back to where

2214
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,719
you and i were talking about if things

2215
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,480
are true

2216
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:27,440
it would hold up to skepticism

2217
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:28,639
you know

2218
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:32,400
love of me

2219
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,440
see how people could just misuse

2220
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,600
their influence because influence is a

2221
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,520
very powerful thing

2222
01:26:42,310 --> 01:26:41,360
and to use that

2223
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,320
yeah

2224
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:44,800
if you just use your influence

2225
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,760
to you know to scam rob people and just

2226
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,800
and you know what's the point

2227
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:52,880
well usually the point is to become

2228
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,360
ridiculously rich

2229
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,920
one thing i've noticed about

2230
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,199
especially the tv psychics is that

2231
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,960
this has always bothered me and i tell

2232
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:04,480
this to a lot of people who believe in

2233
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,920
this stuff if if for example let's just

2234
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,080
say that you were given this god-given

2235
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,480
ability to talk to dead people

2236
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,880
i i always find it funny that not one of

2237
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,000
them

2238
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,800
does anything altruistic with it or for

2239
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,040
the benefit of mankind or or their

2240
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:23,679
community they all write books and sell

2241
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:26,880
stuff like you know john edwards 500

2242
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,360
bucks for a 10 minute reading

2243
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:31,440
of course it seems to me that if

2244
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,560
somebody really had these abilities

2245
01:27:39,590 --> 01:27:36,880
maybe they should talk to murder victims

2246
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,600
that were that are on the other side

2247
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:41,679
and have the murder victims tell him who

2248
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:43,840
killed them and then go tell the police

2249
01:27:47,830 --> 01:27:46,639
so that person can be brought to justice

2250
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:47,840
or

2251
01:27:52,229 --> 01:27:48,880
you know

2252
01:27:54,790 --> 01:27:52,239
bring closure to uh to

2253
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,800
somebody's parents who lost a child to a

2254
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:56,800
to some kind of predator but none of

2255
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,080
them do that they they just write books

2256
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,719
and sell them or sell a tv show so don't

2257
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:04,080
you think a lot of it

2258
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:05,520
a lot of the way to tell if somebody's

2259
01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,350
honestly

2260
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:13,760
i mean yeah of course you're correct

2261
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,520
i definitely you know and there's one

2262
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,199
thing i wanted to add about you know

2263
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,920
people that see these tv psychics you

2264
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:21,920
know they seem like they're powerful

2265
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:23,679
they're you know authoritative and

2266
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:26,400
everything but you know i'm liking a tv

2267
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:29,679
psychic to a um a movie star

2268
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:30,960
we and we have to put them in this

2269
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:33,120
context and this is what i'm saying if

2270
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,960
you take a tv psychic

2271
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,960
and you take you know put in all the

2272
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,400
bloopers and everything where they're

2273
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:40,080
messing up and everything

2274
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:41,920
you're gonna have a pretty crappy uh

2275
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,950
yeah just so imagine you know a movie

2276
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:48,960
star you know he's messing up on his

2277
01:28:52,470 --> 01:28:51,040
lines and and they include that in the

2278
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:52,480
film

2279
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,320
you're not going to be as emotional or

2280
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:57,120
involved in the character so this is the

2281
01:29:01,350 --> 01:28:59,520
same exact same thing with the uh

2282
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,360
television psychic they're editing

2283
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:02,960
things out and

2284
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:04,800
you have a full act

2285
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,560
presented to you on a silver platter

2286
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,719
which is the big screen

2287
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:11,280
wow yeah you know i and the other thing

2288
01:29:15,669 --> 01:29:13,440
is that i would encourage people also to

2289
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:15,679
challenge people if you do happen to be

2290
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:18,159
somewhere there's a psychic or a medium

2291
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:19,679
you know don't just sit there and be

2292
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,760
nice you know challenge them a little

2293
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:23,199
bit

2294
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,920
and so uh have you had

2295
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:27,600
any other personal encounters with

2296
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,239
psychics or or fake faith healers or

2297
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:32,159
anything like that

2298
01:29:35,669 --> 01:29:33,920
you know that would be probably the only

2299
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:35,679
thing you know after dating this you

2300
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:38,960
know this psychic uh lady and

2301
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:39,760
that

2302
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,239
turned into a disaster and

2303
01:29:46,709 --> 01:29:44,000
this is enough

2304
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,719
yeah of course

2305
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:48,880
well

2306
01:29:53,990 --> 01:29:51,520
i i guess the other thing i would ask is

2307
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:54,000
do you uh do do you

2308
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:55,840
believe that there is

2309
01:29:59,510 --> 01:29:57,760
really somebody out there that has

2310
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,520
genuine psychic ability like i've been

2311
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,440
looking into remote viewing have you do

2312
01:30:05,189 --> 01:30:02,800
you know are you aware of that do you

2313
01:30:07,910 --> 01:30:05,199
know some of the science behind that

2314
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:07,920
you know i do i do and um here's the

2315
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,000
here's the thing about that i you know

2316
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,639
if i would never you know the one thing

2317
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:14,960
about skepticism is

2318
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:18,080
we're not total deniers we're we're just

2319
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,600
looking for proof

2320
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,440
i mean that's all you that's all you can

2321
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:23,120
ask for proof

2322
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:24,639
absolutely and so

2323
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:27,040
you know if there's someone out there

2324
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,639
i would love to see you

2325
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:30,960
you know i just have never experienced

2326
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:33,120
someone who's a genuine

2327
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,719
you know psychic by any means

2328
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,800
i don't know about you but i've had that

2329
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,560
feeling of my heart sinking when

2330
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:42,480
somebody says you know oh you got to

2331
01:30:47,189 --> 01:30:45,120
check this person out and i'll go and

2332
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:47,199
check them out and i and i see that

2333
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:49,280
through the trick like right away that

2334
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,199
they're doing like some of the tricks i

2335
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,840
had somebody use like a really common

2336
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:54,960
uh

2337
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:57,840
it's called a center tear on me

2338
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,840
and i was like you're kidding me really

2339
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:02,080
this is your act yeah and a center tear

2340
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:03,520
for those that don't know it's just a

2341
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:05,280
it's a mentalist technique for kind of

2342
01:31:09,030 --> 01:31:06,880
uh finding

2343
01:31:10,709 --> 01:31:09,040
written information and

2344
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:10,719
it's like one of the first things you

2345
01:31:14,229 --> 01:31:11,679
learn

2346
01:31:15,830 --> 01:31:14,239
in magic and mentalism and i met a

2347
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:15,840
psychic that made a whole career out of

2348
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,320
doing this that was her stick

2349
01:31:21,669 --> 01:31:19,920
like that's how she convinced people

2350
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,679
that she could really tell

2351
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:23,280
you know that she really had some kind

2352
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:30,950
you know there is probably one other

2353
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:33,840
thing that um you know i've felt i'm not

2354
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,639
i'm very active on social media and if

2355
01:31:41,350 --> 01:31:39,199
anyone's ever been on facebook there are

2356
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:41,360
these little forums where people would

2357
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:44,480
give photos they'll post a photo

2358
01:31:49,430 --> 01:31:46,560
and there are like

2359
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,440
beginner and you know and really

2360
01:31:54,550 --> 01:31:51,360
professional psychics they would take

2361
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:54,560
turns at doing readings

2362
01:31:57,430 --> 01:31:56,080
based on this photo so they're they're

2363
01:32:00,149 --> 01:31:57,440
giving them practice they're cutting

2364
01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:00,159
their teeth using even social media so

2365
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:02,080
therefore when they have these paid

2366
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:03,120
clients

2367
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:04,480
they'll be more

2368
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:06,800
you know they'll seem more professional

2369
01:32:10,830 --> 01:32:08,719
more accurate

2370
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:10,840
sure sure

2371
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,360
absolutely you know and uh i guess one

2372
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:15,120
of the other things i want i would

2373
01:32:18,229 --> 01:32:16,560
mention is that

2374
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:18,239
like

2375
01:32:22,950 --> 01:32:20,960
at one time i did a ten thousand dollar

2376
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:22,960
challenge and that's a really big

2377
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:24,880
challenge for a guy that barely had that

2378
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:26,560
in his bank account at any time in his

2379
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:27,760
life

2380
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:28,639
and

2381
01:32:35,590 --> 01:32:32,639
reproduce uh

2382
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:35,600
one effect that i could do and i gave a

2383
01:32:39,669 --> 01:32:37,199
challenge that if anybody could

2384
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,679
reproduce it through psychic means that

2385
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:41,440
i would give him ten thousand dollars

2386
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,840
and not one person even came forward to

2387
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,120
attempt it

2388
01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:47,280
and the thing that always got me is you

2389
01:32:51,350 --> 01:32:49,280
know uh you mentioned randy like randy

2390
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,360
has a one million dollar challenge if

2391
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:53,040
somebody could come and display any kind

2392
01:32:56,229 --> 01:32:54,800
of psychic ability he'll give him a

2393
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,239
millionaire

2394
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:58,719
and uh sylvia brown and john edward and

2395
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:01,440
all these famous tv psychics

2396
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:03,520
with a long island medium

2397
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:04,320
uh

2398
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:07,120
she's a total fraud too but like

2399
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,560
there's all this money out there there's

2400
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:09,920
all these people that are offering these

2401
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:11,440
challenges and if they can prove that

2402
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:12,800
they can really do it through psychic

2403
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,639
means they can have this money

2404
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:15,920
why would you not want to go get a

2405
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:17,520
million dollars even if you gave it to

2406
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:19,199
charity

2407
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:22,800
i agree i agree 100 percent i mean it's

2408
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,600
a million dollars you know once again

2409
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:27,520
you know these people have their their

2410
01:33:32,229 --> 01:33:30,159
defense mechanisms like if they're rich

2411
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:32,239
they'll be like oh well i don't need

2412
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:34,000
your million dollars or things like that

2413
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:36,000
and if it's the united heard some

2414
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,360
psychics say

2415
01:33:40,310 --> 01:33:38,960
i don't i'm not in it for the money i'm

2416
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:40,320
in it to help

2417
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:41,600
yeah but

2418
01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:45,920
getting tons of clients

2419
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:47,920
yeah i never i never understood it and

2420
01:33:51,110 --> 01:33:49,600
they've all the thing that always

2421
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:51,120
strikes me is that especially with the

2422
01:33:54,229 --> 01:33:52,560
tv psychics

2423
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:54,239
is that they've always got a book to

2424
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:57,520
sell or something or dvds or you know

2425
01:34:02,629 --> 01:33:59,920
like none of them are just like hey

2426
01:34:04,310 --> 01:34:02,639
i'm doing this to help people for free

2427
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,320
you know

2428
01:34:08,550 --> 01:34:06,719
yeah of course i mean

2429
01:34:10,470 --> 01:34:08,560
i think that's kind of the point to have

2430
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:10,480
some sort of profit

2431
01:34:14,229 --> 01:34:12,960
even if they appear to be friendly

2432
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:14,239
you know you have these people that

2433
01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:16,000
would like you say there are there's

2434
01:34:20,149 --> 01:34:18,480
always something to sell

2435
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:20,159
yeah i've never met one that did it

2436
01:34:25,110 --> 01:34:23,120
purely for scientific research or maybe

2437
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:25,120
uh you know for

2438
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:26,400
you know but then

2439
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:29,120
once in a while i read a story about a

2440
01:34:33,030 --> 01:34:31,120
psychic helping police

2441
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:33,040
and usually it's a psychic that you've

2442
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:34,560
never heard of

2443
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,480
and so that gives me some hope that

2444
01:34:39,750 --> 01:34:38,000
maybe there is somebody out there

2445
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:39,760
because i've read some cases where

2446
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:41,280
there'd be a psychic that went and

2447
01:34:44,950 --> 01:34:43,440
helped the police on a cold case

2448
01:34:46,709 --> 01:34:44,960
and gave them some particular

2449
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,719
information or insight that turned out

2450
01:34:49,990 --> 01:34:48,400
to be helpful have you heard about

2451
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:50,000
stories like that

2452
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:54,000
i i have it was actually uh once

2453
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:56,320
from where i'm from mississippi it was

2454
01:35:01,109 --> 01:34:59,440
so you know some psychic police i mean

2455
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:01,119
i'm not really sure what constitutes

2456
01:35:12,149 --> 01:35:10,470
yeah maybe it seems like it just sounds

2457
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,159
like the tv show the mentalist or

2458
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,639
something like that

2459
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:16,719
i don't know

2460
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:19,119
yeah absolutely so you but there was a

2461
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,800
case near you where there that was

2462
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:22,639
helpful to the police

2463
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:23,760
well

2464
01:35:26,229 --> 01:35:24,480
they

2465
01:35:29,109 --> 01:35:26,239
the psychic claim that

2466
01:35:31,830 --> 01:35:29,119
um that you know he was helpful because

2467
01:35:34,629 --> 01:35:31,840
he helped found the body of the

2468
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:34,639
of a missing i think like four-year-old

2469
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:37,119
however that would be a good use for

2470
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:38,880
somebody that if they really have a

2471
01:35:46,470 --> 01:35:44,550
guessing you know

2472
01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:46,480
yeah and the best thing about it the

2473
01:35:50,629 --> 01:35:48,719
stories never come out

2474
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,639
and you know they never make the claim

2475
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:52,800
until after the fact i mean like you

2476
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,920
know if he knew what it you know what a

2477
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:57,440
little boy was

2478
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,800
i would think it would have been big

2479
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:00,960
music okay let's go find him and people

2480
01:36:05,109 --> 01:36:03,840
would probably held him as a hero but

2481
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,119
you know that wasn't the case it was

2482
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:07,679
like you know i helped him you know but

2483
01:36:12,470 --> 01:36:10,480
how do you help how do you help do you

2484
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,480
yeah do you tell them where their body

2485
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:14,480
is or do you

2486
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:16,400
basically tell them the same thing you

2487
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:18,159
would tell your clients perhaps you're

2488
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:20,400
not looking in the right places it does

2489
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:21,920
what constitutes help

2490
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,159
well one of the the other tricks that

2491
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,560
the tv psychics use when it comes to

2492
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:28,800
police cases is that there have been

2493
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:31,280
psychics that said oh i helped solve

2494
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:33,199
this murder case and this murder case

2495
01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:34,800
and this murder case

2496
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:36,400
and then you look into the cases and the

2497
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:38,560
police say well they talked to me but

2498
01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:39,520
they didn't

2499
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,400
you know

2500
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:41,920
none of the information they provided

2501
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,080
panned out or

2502
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:46,639
they might contact the police on a

2503
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:48,880
hundred different cases and in one case

2504
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:50,719
they got lucky

2505
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,560
with one of their guesses and even the

2506
01:36:56,229 --> 01:36:54,239
police will say yeah this person really

2507
01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,239
helped us but what they don't say is i

2508
01:37:00,310 --> 01:36:58,800
worked on a hundred cases and only one

2509
01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,320
in a hundred did i provide any

2510
01:37:04,229 --> 01:37:02,239
information that the police determined

2511
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:04,239
was helpful

2512
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,360
it's kind of

2513
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:09,280
that says once again that that goes back

2514
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:11,520
to you know being good luck or you know

2515
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:15,040
or or you know hiding the missus you you

2516
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:18,159
you count all the hits behind the misses

2517
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,520
sure sure you know i wanted to ask you

2518
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:23,840
too are you aware of some of those

2519
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,920
some of the cia stuff like the mind

2520
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:27,760
control programs that they were trying

2521
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:28,960
to do or

2522
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:31,520
mk ultra and that kind of stuff

2523
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:35,840
i am i am um isn't that scary stuff

2524
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:38,000
it is you know but i actually had an

2525
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:39,920
interest in that now because i wanted to

2526
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:41,920
know you know because

2527
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:43,760
you know a lot of people may not know

2528
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:44,639
i'm a

2529
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:47,600
big you know fan of superheroes and

2530
01:37:52,229 --> 01:37:49,840
things like that so anybody who could

2531
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,239
even try to replicate or

2532
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,320
claim that they have this ability it

2533
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,239
naturally piqued my interest now i want

2534
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,719
to know if it's genuine or not but

2535
01:38:03,750 --> 01:37:59,760
you know

2536
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:03,760
are there people out there like that you

2537
01:38:06,629 --> 01:38:04,480
know

2538
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:06,639
i've never met him i've never heard you

2539
01:38:11,189 --> 01:38:09,520
know of these people being genuine

2540
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:11,199
it's always

2541
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:13,119
information from the person or people

2542
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:14,639
that's involved with them never from

2543
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:17,520
other people sure sure absolutely it's

2544
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:19,840
always sort of third hand like you never

2545
01:38:25,910 --> 01:38:24,550
and you know i think it's kind of

2546
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,920
interesting like i ask a lot of

2547
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:28,080
mentalists like you have you ever met a

2548
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:29,679
psychic whose

2549
01:38:33,270 --> 01:38:31,679
tricks you couldn't duplicate

2550
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:33,280
because i haven't

2551
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:35,040
and i think that's really important for

2552
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:36,719
people to realize

2553
01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:37,679
when you have somebody that's a

2554
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:39,280
professional performer doing these

2555
01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:41,840
tricks and they meet one you know

2556
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:42,960
because i'm sure that you could

2557
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:45,920
replicate even better than me a lot of

2558
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:48,400
the stuff that you see out there

2559
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,440
yes i i can replicate uh many of the

2560
01:38:55,830 --> 01:38:53,600
things and in the in our you know and

2561
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,840
there's things that i probably i don't

2562
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:57,280
know probably can't replicate that

2563
01:39:01,590 --> 01:39:00,000
doesn't mean these psychics are not

2564
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,600
crafty because

2565
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:03,440
you know what we have to realize that

2566
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:04,400
some

2567
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,119
mentalist will you know you know get the

2568
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,600
psychic bug as they say and

2569
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:13,760
turned in full-on cycling and these were

2570
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:15,920
creative people who would

2571
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:18,400
develop their own techniques you know

2572
01:39:21,750 --> 01:39:19,920
it's not like they're

2573
01:39:22,629 --> 01:39:21,760
releasing how they're doing these things

2574
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:22,639
so

2575
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:24,159
even you know

2576
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:26,000
we may not be able to replicate one

2577
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:28,239
hundred percent of what they do

2578
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,159
it's still

2579
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:32,159
yeah exactly but still there's a lot

2580
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:33,760
i've seen one that made me scratch my

2581
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,760
head a little bit and then later

2582
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:37,360
i came up with methods that i could

2583
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:38,880
duplicate it now i don't know if the

2584
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:40,880
method that i came up with is exactly

2585
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,239
what they were doing but it could still

2586
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:44,080
duplicate the exact effect they were

2587
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,119
doing

2588
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:47,679
exactly and you know and that just

2589
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:49,679
that's just you know if we can replicate

2590
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,239
it then you have to wonder okay

2591
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:54,080
is it real

2592
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:55,679
we're telling you it's not real because

2593
01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:57,199
we can replicate it

2594
01:40:00,709 --> 01:39:59,199
sure but i guess the most important

2595
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:00,719
thing that i want people to realize is

2596
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,719
that here you have a

2597
01:40:05,830 --> 01:40:04,800
you know professional mentalist

2598
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:05,840
and uh

2599
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:08,000
me a magician telling you that we could

2600
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:09,199
replicate

2601
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,239
in almost every circumstance any of the

2602
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:14,639
tricks that psychics or mediums do

2603
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:15,440
so

2604
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:17,520
if you're you know it really has to make

2605
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:18,880
people wonder

2606
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,840
is this genuine or not because i've so

2607
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,520
far i haven't found any psychic that

2608
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:26,000
could do anything that i couldn't

2609
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:29,440
instantly almost instantly duplicate

2610
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,910
and i you know i agree with that you

2611
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:37,119
know because you know we study a lot to

2612
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,000
present our material you know as you

2613
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,480
know as genuine as possible but we're

2614
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:44,880
letting people know it's 100

2615
01:40:49,590 --> 01:40:46,800
entertainment and we don't have to

2616
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,600
possess these real powers

2617
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:52,000
sure absolutely and i think you know

2618
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:53,600
that's the right way to go about doing

2619
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,560
it now

2620
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:56,320
i have to mention that

2621
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:58,320
i met an agent one time

2622
01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:00,480
and i was doing this mentalist show was

2623
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,719
called mind games and mysteries and i

2624
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:04,639
did magic shows too but sort of like a

2625
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:06,639
sideline a lot of magicians do this i

2626
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,119
did this just a mentalism show

2627
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,679
and it was just pure mentalism all mind

2628
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,000
tricks and a little bit of hypnosis like

2629
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,239
cedric mentioned and you know telling

2630
01:41:20,709 --> 01:41:18,159
the future and even sort of talking to

2631
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,719
the dead and spirits stuff

2632
01:41:24,070 --> 01:41:21,840
and uh

2633
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,080
it happened to be an agent that books

2634
01:41:27,430 --> 01:41:26,000
people in the audience who approached me

2635
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,440
and said

2636
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:29,520
if you just take that line out that you

2637
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,880
say in the beginning of the show about

2638
01:41:34,950 --> 01:41:32,639
this being pure entertainment if you

2639
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:34,960
want to be a you know a psychic

2640
01:41:39,510 --> 01:41:37,119
i can book you for hundreds of parties

2641
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:39,520
all over the east coast

2642
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,080
and uh what it boiled down to is i had

2643
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,719
to be willing to play a fake psychic

2644
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:46,960
and so i wasn't willing to do that i

2645
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,520
could have made a whole bunch of money

2646
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,840
like a whole bunch of money

2647
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:53,360
but i didn't think it was an ethical

2648
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,629
i mean you know i applause you for that

2649
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:01,440
because you know not everyone

2650
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,040
would turn that down

2651
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,280
and like i said it all boiled down to

2652
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:07,040
ethics and you know

2653
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:08,960
that was you know i applaud you for

2654
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:11,440
doing that man sure sure

2655
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:13,679
you know and i still did the same kind

2656
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:15,760
of thing you know after the mentalist

2657
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:18,159
show i would do these uh

2658
01:42:21,990 --> 01:42:20,080
not tarot cards like they were called

2659
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:22,000
fortune cards because honestly i had a

2660
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:24,000
real hard time memorizing all the tarot

2661
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:26,159
cards but i had these other things and i

2662
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,480
would give her this card readings but i

2663
01:42:31,669 --> 01:42:30,480
they knew they already saw the show they

2664
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:31,679
they knew like this is just

2665
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:34,239
entertainment so after the show i'll

2666
01:42:38,229 --> 01:42:35,440
stick around for a while and do these

2667
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,239
card readings for you and uh

2668
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,679
you know i think what do you think of

2669
01:42:43,189 --> 01:42:41,600
tarot cards and things like that i think

2670
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,199
if it's just for entertainment and you

2671
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:45,920
realize that then it's fine

2672
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,679
yeah of course i mean it's it's

2673
01:42:52,709 --> 01:42:50,239
entertainment once again it's a skill

2674
01:42:55,030 --> 01:42:52,719
learned you know you know so it's just

2675
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:55,040
thing that you're learning

2676
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:58,560
you have to put time into and practice

2677
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,080
you know then

2678
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:02,800
it's not a superpower it's a it's just

2679
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:05,920
like it's a skill it's a technique

2680
01:43:08,390 --> 01:43:06,880
sure

2681
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,400
well listen i want to i want to thank

2682
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,760
you very much for taking the time to

2683
01:43:13,510 --> 01:43:11,600
talk to me today and i want to really

2684
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:13,520
thank you for helping me to inform

2685
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:15,119
people so that they know what they're

2686
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:17,199
paying for

2687
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,560
uh anytime no problem at all okay great

2688
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:22,159
thanks cedric

2689
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,320
wow what a great interview and i want to

2690
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:26,800
really thank cedric for coming forward

2691
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:29,119
and helping to dispel some of the myths

2692
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,600
behind these fake psychics and fake

2693
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,280
mediums

2694
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:35,760
in the work that he does he's one of the

2695
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:38,400
few people that can truly understand the

2696
01:43:43,270 --> 01:43:41,440
tricks they use and the [\h__\h] that

2697
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:43,280
they're selling

2698
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:45,840
now when it came on i said my first

2699
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:48,560
guest because i guess i should explain i

2700
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:50,239
was supposed to have another guest

2701
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:51,280
tonight

2702
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,080
who was a friend of mine who's a life

2703
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:56,320
coach and

2704
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:58,880
i guess a counselor as well

2705
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:01,760
and she uses tarot cards and things like

2706
01:44:04,709 --> 01:44:02,639
that

2707
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:04,719
in her work and i wanted to have her

2708
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:06,480
come on and present sort of the other

2709
01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:08,239
side

2710
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,920
because she's a believer in all of this

2711
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:11,119
stuff

2712
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,480
but uh

2713
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:14,320
you know she made me send her the show

2714
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:15,679
so far

2715
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,600
and i guess after listening to it

2716
01:44:21,669 --> 01:44:19,600
declined

2717
01:44:24,070 --> 01:44:21,679
to come on and and do we were going to

2718
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:24,080
have her do a tarot card reading for me

2719
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:26,239
and honestly i keep an open mind so i

2720
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,400
was going to explain that if people use

2721
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,400
things like tarot cards

2722
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:32,880
in a therapeutic way or something like

2723
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:35,600
that i'm fine with that i just am

2724
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,440
totally against somebody claiming to

2725
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:39,760
have psychic abilities when they can't

2726
01:44:44,470 --> 01:44:42,480
prove anything

2727
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,480
now interestingly

2728
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,239
uh that same person

2729
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:49,040
defriended me on facebook after

2730
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:51,360
she posted something about

2731
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:55,280
teal swan who is a spiritual

2732
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,480
guru

2733
01:45:02,629 --> 01:44:58,880
who claims to have all kinds of psychic

2734
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,990
i posted uh something

2735
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:07,840
to the effect that that

2736
01:45:13,590 --> 01:45:10,639
teal swan is a complete and total fraud

2737
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:13,600
even down to the fact that she picked

2738
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:15,280
swann

2739
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:18,480
as a stage name which i don't think is a

2740
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,000
coincidence because one of the most

2741
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:23,199
famous psychics from some time ago

2742
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:26,320
remote viewers was ingo swan and

2743
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:27,280
everybody

2744
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:29,440
in the spiritual community was sort of

2745
01:45:34,790 --> 01:45:32,320
very familiar with ingo swan so i don't

2746
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,800
think it was a coincidence that this

2747
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:36,960
fake guru girl picked

2748
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:40,320
the the last name swan as a sort of

2749
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:43,040
stage name that's not a real name

2750
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:44,400
now

2751
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:48,320
disagree with one of your friends and

2752
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:50,080
really like a friend that i've known for

2753
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:55,430
and they can defriend you on facebook

2754
01:45:59,350 --> 01:45:57,520
because you said that person that's

2755
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:59,360
claiming all these psychic abilities was

2756
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:00,639
a fraud

2757
01:46:04,950 --> 01:46:03,119
here's uh some lines from this teal

2758
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:04,960
swans website

2759
01:46:10,350 --> 01:46:07,280
teoswan was born with a range of extra

2760
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:10,360
sensory abilities including clairvoyance

2761
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,430
i don't even know what

2762
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,280
clairsentience is i i suppose

2763
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:21,040
clairaudience is

2764
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:24,080
being able to hear voices i don't know

2765
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,719
and clairvoyance is very common

2766
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,880
uh you know but she also claims to be

2767
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:31,199
like an empath and all these other

2768
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,800
things

2769
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:34,560
and the thing is is that this person

2770
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:37,920
makes her living selling [\h__\h] she

2771
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,040
sells [\h__\h] to gullible people

2772
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:42,800
and claims she's a psychic

2773
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:44,560
she will not

2774
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:45,360
uh

2775
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,679
allow herself to be tested

2776
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,600
for her psychic ability

2777
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:51,199
because she doesn't want to prove that

2778
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:54,960
it's all made up [\h__\h] this person

2779
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,760
is making a living robbing people

2780
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,000
claiming to be some kind of spiritual

2781
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,400
psychic guru

2782
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,480
but never proving any of it

2783
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:06,000
and again i keep going back to that

2784
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,520
example it's like somebody you know

2785
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:09,920
pretending to mow your grass

2786
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,400
or you know or clean your pool

2787
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,239
like what if somebody just pretended if

2788
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:15,920
they took your money and they just

2789
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:18,639
pretended to clean your pool or cut your

2790
01:47:26,070 --> 01:47:21,840
grass that would be a crime this person

2791
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:26,080
teal swan is a complete and total fraud

2792
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:28,480
and she makes a living selling books and

2793
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:31,520
[\h__\h] to stupid people

2794
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:32,400
you know

2795
01:47:36,070 --> 01:47:34,639
when i realized that this friend of mine

2796
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:36,080
wouldn't come on my show i was kind of

2797
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:37,840
like hey i thought you were more

2798
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,280
open-minded than that and i'm not saying

2799
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:43,679
all these people or everyone that claims

2800
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:46,080
psychic abilities or or anything like

2801
01:47:49,669 --> 01:47:47,679
that

2802
01:47:51,750 --> 01:47:49,679
is is a fraud

2803
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,760
i'm just claiming that a lot of the

2804
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:53,520
popular ones

2805
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:56,480
this teal swan is is a new person that's

2806
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:59,199
sort of in my crosshairs because

2807
01:48:03,510 --> 01:48:01,040
i don't know how much money she makes

2808
01:48:05,910 --> 01:48:03,520
but she sends you know

2809
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:05,920
i somehow i got on her mailing list and

2810
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:07,679
she kept sending me

2811
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:10,719
uh these emails

2812
01:48:17,109 --> 01:48:14,080
selling me private phone skype sessions

2813
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:17,119
with her for literally hundreds of

2814
01:48:20,870 --> 01:48:18,400
dollars

2815
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:20,880
for less than an hour

2816
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,600
and

2817
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:23,920
you know again i keep going back to this

2818
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:26,080
if you really had psychic abilities if

2819
01:48:31,830 --> 01:48:28,719
you could if you were clairvoyant and

2820
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,840
clairsentient and clear audience like

2821
01:48:35,510 --> 01:48:33,679
i'm gonna look these terms up

2822
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:35,520
clairsentience and claire audience

2823
01:48:39,270 --> 01:48:37,360
because i think she just made them up

2824
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,280
like i've never heard them before

2825
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:41,679
seeing her website

2826
01:48:47,030 --> 01:48:45,040
so you know again what i'm saying is if

2827
01:48:49,030 --> 01:48:47,040
she really had all these abilities and

2828
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:49,040
wanted to be a spiritual guru and help

2829
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:50,480
people

2830
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:53,280
maybe instead of selling herself to

2831
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:56,239
speak at conferences and selling private

2832
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:58,159
i don't know [\h__\h] sessions i don't

2833
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:59,679
know what she does during these sessions

2834
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,560
or

2835
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:03,119
you know she's got books and i love some

2836
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,560
of the new agey [\h__\h] that she sells

2837
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:08,960
uh here's some of her books the sculptor

2838
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,119
in the sky

2839
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:14,400
shadows before dawn finding the light of

2840
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,470
the completion process the practice of

2841
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,440
putting yourself back together again

2842
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,080
i mean i i don't know who buys this [\h__\h]

2843
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:31,040
but this woman's making a great living

2844
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,880
and she's

2845
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,400
claiming here that she's an

2846
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:36,480
internationally recognized spiritual

2847
01:49:42,070 --> 01:49:39,280
leader and powerful voice in the field

2848
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,080
of metaphysics as a renowned author

2849
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,400
speaker and social media star she

2850
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:45,840
travels the world teaching

2851
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:48,880
self-development and spiritual growth

2852
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,639
and the thing is

2853
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:52,560
you know if you're if you're at all

2854
01:49:58,229 --> 01:49:55,679
interested in this subject of these fake

2855
01:49:59,669 --> 01:49:58,239
[\h__\h] that sell [\h__\h] to people to

2856
01:50:02,950 --> 01:49:59,679
stupid people

2857
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:02,960
go on youtube and and listen to some of

2858
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:05,679
the [\h__\h] the the complete and total

2859
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:09,599
[\h__\h] that this woman has on youtube

2860
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,000
she talks about everything from

2861
01:50:17,830 --> 01:50:15,199
addiction to sexual abuse to

2862
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:17,840
you know mental problems like she's some

2863
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,440
kind of expert i got a i got a bad

2864
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,760
feeling when somebody that's claiming to

2865
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,679
be a psychic is putting themselves out

2866
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:27,440
there to help people

2867
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:28,159
and

2868
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:30,800
with these problems instead of hey i

2869
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,520
have an idea maybe somebody who has an

2870
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:35,679
addiction problem should go to a

2871
01:50:40,629 --> 01:50:38,080
certified addiction counselor somebody

2872
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:40,639
that's been educated about addiction

2873
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,280
somebody has a college degree

2874
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:46,239
in counseling and can help somebody that

2875
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:49,360
has a bona fide addiction

2876
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,360
no uh instead of doing that hey give a

2877
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:56,239
couple hundred dollars every week to

2878
01:51:01,109 --> 01:50:58,239
some [\h__\h]

2879
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:01,119
self-professed guru

2880
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,679
that is the problem that i have with her

2881
01:51:08,149 --> 01:51:06,480
why does she put herself out there

2882
01:51:11,990 --> 01:51:08,159
to help people

2883
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:12,000
for money when you know honestly if like

2884
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:13,840
for example if you have a problem with

2885
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:17,440
your weight you don't go to this idiot

2886
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,400
self-proclaimed psychic guru

2887
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:23,040
for help i mean i just don't think that

2888
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:25,280
would be helpful maybe you should go to

2889
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:28,159
your doctor a certified md who went to

2890
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:30,320
you know eight years of schooling to be

2891
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:32,800
able to actually take money and help

2892
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,400
people or maybe if you have a weight

2893
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:38,639
problem or you know a problem with food

2894
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:40,000
addiction you should go to a

2895
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:41,679
nutritionist

2896
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:43,840
and a psychiat a

2897
01:51:49,030 --> 01:51:46,639
psychologist or psychiatrist

2898
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:49,040
maybe that would be the best course of

2899
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:52,639
action instead of giving your money to

2900
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:56,400
some fake psychic [\h__\h] voodoo girl

2901
01:52:01,030 --> 01:51:57,920
who claims to have all of these

2902
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:01,040
abilities and can't prove any of it

2903
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:04,719
in fact i'm willing to uh give her the

2904
01:52:09,750 --> 01:52:07,520
benefit of the doubt and say hey

2905
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:09,760
teal swan if you're not truly just

2906
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:12,960
selling [\h__\h] i can devise

2907
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:15,280
three very simple tests

2908
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:18,080
to prove that you have clairvoyance

2909
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:21,360
and and being that i know

2910
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:24,320
the tricks and and [\h__\h] that

2911
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:26,239
some of the people that claim to have

2912
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:28,719
these psychic abilities use

2913
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:31,360
i'll be able to spot if you're cheating

2914
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:32,159
so

2915
01:52:36,229 --> 01:52:34,080
if if you'd like to prove that you're

2916
01:52:38,310 --> 01:52:36,239
not full of [\h__\h] teal swan i invite you

2917
01:52:40,149 --> 01:52:38,320
you can come on my show and we'll do

2918
01:52:42,550 --> 01:52:40,159
these three tests that can be done over

2919
01:52:45,189 --> 01:52:42,560
the phone you don't need to do any

2920
01:52:47,030 --> 01:52:45,199
preparation or anything like that

2921
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:47,040
and then you can prove to all these

2922
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:49,040
people that you want to help that you

2923
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:51,440
actually have some kind of real psychic

2924
01:52:56,149 --> 01:52:53,119
ability

2925
01:52:58,870 --> 01:52:56,159
but i have a prediction of my own

2926
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:58,880
and that prediction is that teal swan

2927
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:01,679
and all of these fake tv psychics and

2928
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,159
[\h__\h] people that sell [\h__\h]

2929
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:07,280
will never ever come on my show

2930
01:53:11,910 --> 01:53:08,960
i couldn't even get

2931
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:11,920
a person that was a believer in this

2932
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:13,920
person to come on my show

2933
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:16,080
and there's a reason for that it's

2934
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:17,920
because even those people that claim to

2935
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,040
be believers are cowards when it comes

2936
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:22,800
to hey

2937
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:25,520
where's the proof of this they know it's

2938
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:27,760
[\h__\h] you know it's kind of like

2939
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:30,400
santa claus you remember santa claus

2940
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:32,880
when you were a child you know and you

2941
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,560
kind of started getting this feeling

2942
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,560
like you know maybe this isn't real

2943
01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:38,639
maybe this is made up maybe this is

2944
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:41,040
[\h__\h] but you had that childlike

2945
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:42,960
innocence and you still wanted to

2946
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,080
believe it because it was comforting

2947
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:48,400
that's what people who believe in this

2948
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,040
[\h__\h] are like they're like children

2949
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:53,679
that don't want to finally admit that

2950
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:55,440
santa claus is

2951
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:56,960
fictional

2952
01:54:02,310 --> 01:53:59,840
all psychics all mediums that i have

2953
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,320
ever encountered have never ever been

2954
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:04,320
able to prove

2955
01:54:09,990 --> 01:54:07,520
scientifically that they have any extra

2956
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:10,000
sensory ability

2957
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:11,599
none of them

2958
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:17,920
and most refuse to submit themselves to

2959
01:54:24,149 --> 01:54:20,840
any type of scientific

2960
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,159
inquiries who are testing to prove their

2961
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:25,840
claims

2962
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:28,960
so what i'm saying is that people like

2963
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:32,320
teal swan people like john edward

2964
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,119
uh

2965
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:35,440
people like sylvia brown

2966
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:37,440
all of these people that claim to have

2967
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:39,520
these psychic abilities that are taking

2968
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,040
money from people

2969
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:43,840
are perpetrating a fraud

2970
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:47,599
they are ripping people off and somehow

2971
01:54:51,669 --> 01:54:48,960
our laws

2972
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:51,679
in this country and in many countries

2973
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:54,239
are just not sufficient to protect

2974
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:57,280
consumers from this [\h__\h] so i feel

2975
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:58,080
like

2976
01:55:01,589 --> 01:54:59,119
you know

2977
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:01,599
especially people like mentalists and

2978
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,040
magicians we have a responsibility to

2979
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,440
educate the public to make sure they

2980
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:09,920
know that they use cheap parlor tricks

2981
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:12,960
that you can buy in any magic shop or

2982
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:16,000
online in any magic catalog

2983
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,679
that's the kind of [\h__\h] that they use

2984
01:55:23,750 --> 01:55:21,599
it's not

2985
01:55:25,830 --> 01:55:23,760
right that these people

2986
01:55:27,910 --> 01:55:25,840
take money from people

2987
01:55:30,310 --> 01:55:27,920
claiming to be able to speak to their

2988
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:30,320
dead relatives in fact

2989
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:33,840
i think mediums are the worst form of

2990
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:36,480
vultures on planet earth because they

2991
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:38,560
are profiting from

2992
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:40,400
someone's grief

2993
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:42,159
that's what they're doing they are

2994
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:45,199
taking advantage of people at the most

2995
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:46,560
vulnerable

2996
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,040
sad time in their lives

2997
01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:52,080
the times where they are missing a dead

2998
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:54,000
relative maybe they have unresolved

2999
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,960
issues

3000
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:57,119
with a relative that died

3001
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,520
and they want to pay this medium so that

3002
01:56:03,750 --> 01:56:02,159
they can have some kind of a peace about

3003
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,760
these things

3004
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:04,639
i

3005
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:10,239
and the fact that some peak person would

3006
01:56:14,149 --> 01:56:11,920
claim they can speak to your dead

3007
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:14,159
relatives people like john edward and so

3008
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:15,599
many others

3009
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:18,239
it's absolutely ridiculous

3010
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:21,040
that our country and our lawmakers just

3011
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,320
let these people prey on the weak minded

3012
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:27,440
people the people that are grieving

3013
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:29,199
it's ridiculous

3014
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,360
and and we have people like john edward

3015
01:56:34,310 --> 01:56:33,440
and a long island medium

3016
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:34,320
uh

3017
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:35,679
you know

3018
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:36,639
making

3019
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:37,920
a mint

3020
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:39,920
quite honestly making huge amounts of

3021
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,480
money pretending to talk to people's

3022
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:44,639
dead relatives

3023
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:47,599
i'm here to tell you that uh

3024
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:49,360
if if i could

3025
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:51,760
call you on the telephone i could give

3026
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:54,480
you just as good a reading i'm confident

3027
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:56,239
that i can do that because i have

3028
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:58,560
studied these this these cold reading

3029
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:01,119
techniques that they use i can give you

3030
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,800
just a good a as convincing a reading

3031
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,719
that i'm speaking to your dead relatives

3032
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,400
that they can

3033
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:10,639
the difference is i don't

3034
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:14,159
say it's real or i don't try to profit i

3035
01:57:21,510 --> 01:57:16,719
just do it for people at times to prove

3036
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:21,520
to them what [\h__\h] mediums are

3037
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:23,199
there's a real difference you know

3038
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:24,719
honestly i

3039
01:57:27,910 --> 01:57:26,239
some people say well how can you say

3040
01:57:29,589 --> 01:57:27,920
this because you're a magician and you

3041
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:29,599
fake all these things you can't really

3042
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:31,679
do any of that no

3043
01:57:37,109 --> 01:57:34,719
i provide people with an entertainment

3044
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:37,119
experience and everybody that's coming

3045
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:40,400
into my magic show knows before they get

3046
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,040
there that i don't have supernatural

3047
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:45,840
real abilities they're there

3048
01:57:50,470 --> 01:57:48,480
because the the the

3049
01:57:54,070 --> 01:57:50,480
process

3050
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:54,080
and the showing of these illusionary

3051
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:57,119
forms of magic it's very very compelling

3052
01:58:02,629 --> 01:58:00,239
and it's very entertaining and i don't

3053
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:02,639
lie to anyone even when i did a mind

3054
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:04,560
reading show i let people know that i

3055
01:58:10,070 --> 01:58:06,880
use you know

3056
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:10,080
the art of conjuring and and psychology

3057
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:12,159
in order to give people the illusion of

3058
01:58:16,709 --> 01:58:14,320
a sixth sense and that's the difference

3059
01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:16,719
my friends a magician

3060
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:18,080
will

3061
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:20,320
entertain you and he might take a few

3062
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:22,400
bucks from you but it's far far less

3063
01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:24,320
than these fake psychics and these fake

3064
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:26,480
mediums take

3065
01:58:31,830 --> 01:58:28,800
always remember when you go to see a

3066
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:31,840
medium or or a fake psychic you know

3067
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:34,000
it's just another form of entertainment

3068
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:36,320
as long as you keep that in mind and and

3069
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:37,520
you you know

3070
01:58:42,070 --> 01:58:39,599
you do this in a light-hearted way not

3071
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:42,080
too serious way i don't see any problem

3072
01:58:46,149 --> 01:58:43,760
with like going to a psychic on the

3073
01:58:47,189 --> 01:58:46,159
boardwalk and having your tarot cards

3074
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:47,199
read

3075
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:49,520
but these people that prey

3076
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:50,560
on

3077
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:51,679
people

3078
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:53,119
that want to speak to their dead

3079
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:56,239
relatives that's very very harmful and

3080
01:59:01,910 --> 01:58:59,760
it's terrible that this continues

3081
01:59:04,629 --> 01:59:01,920
i'm here to tell you

3082
01:59:06,790 --> 01:59:04,639
that going to see a psychic or a medium

3083
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,800
is just like coming to see a magician

3084
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:09,040
the difference is that a magician will

3085
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:10,880
will tell you the truth while he's lying

3086
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:13,840
to you i use all kinds of deceptions and

3087
01:59:17,189 --> 01:59:15,840
things but at the end of the day people

3088
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:17,199
realize it's just a form of

3089
01:59:20,310 --> 01:59:18,719
entertainment

3090
01:59:21,990 --> 01:59:20,320
well folks i want to thank you for

3091
01:59:24,229 --> 01:59:22,000
joining me and i hope you learned

3092
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:24,239
something and i hope you were

3093
01:59:28,550 --> 01:59:25,920
entertained tonight

3094
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:28,560
i'm stephen cambion also known as the

3095
01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:30,960
mystery man and i hope you

3096
01:59:35,350 --> 01:59:33,280
join us again for another exciting

3097
01:59:37,750 --> 01:59:35,360
edition of our show

3098
01:59:40,950 --> 01:59:37,760
coming up we have shows on bigfoot we

3099
01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:40,960
have ufo researcher stanton friedman and

3100
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:44,080
a whole lot more please stay tuned and

3101
01:59:51,380 --> 01:59:46,480
keep checking us out you'll be glad you

3102
01:59:51,390 --> 02:00:03,669
[Music]

3103
02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:11,420
so